Posted on 07/23/2008 3:16:07 PM PDT by gpk9
I believe it is time for congress to dissolve state governments. Here are my reasons:
1) State governments simply don’t care about the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. The majority of laws enacted by state governments violate the rights of American citizens in one way or another.
2) State governments don’t care about their own state constitution either. The majority of laws enacted by state governments violate their own state constitution.
3) State governments look the other way while municipal governments within the state, which are created and controlled by the state government, routinely pass ordinances that violate, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the state constitution.
Bottom line, state and local governments simply don’t care about the rule of law and citizen rights anymore. They have become rouge power-crazed outlaws running roughshod over citizens and their rights.
State and local governments are the biggest threat to freedom and liberty in America now. The damage they do is magnitudes of order worse than anything a terrorist group or collection of terrorist groups could even contemplate.
State and local politicians are the absolute worst people to ever have authority over American citizens. They care nothing at all about justice and equity. They care nothing about citizens or their rights. All they care about is control and money. Everything state and local politicians do is designed to gain more power over citizens and extort more money from citizens. They are criminals in the truest sense of the word.
State autonomy was a good idea back when America was founded. Back then we had true statesmen running state governments. They were men of honor and integrity, who truly cared about the well-being of citizens.
It’s not a good idea anymore. Those statesmen have all vanished. Now we have nothing but power-crazed and money-crazed criminals running state and local governments, who abuse and rob citizens under color of law.
It is high time for congress to remove these rouge outlaws from power. Congress should immediately act to dissolve state governments and their children, local municipal governments.
10th Amendment to the Constitution:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Whatever your reasons this is the most unconstitutional proposal I’ve ever heard.
If you’re serious, you should be denied citizenship.
Care to offer any examples?
I could make all your arguments of abuse against the US Congress as well.
IBTZ! What kind of crack have you been smoking? If anything we need to disolve the Federal Government and start over. Sheesh.
If there’s anything we’ve learned from watching other countries over the years, it’s that centralized power is guaranteed to make things worse.
At least in a Federal system businesses and taxpayers can up stakes and leave. State governments, however misbegotten, cannot print their own money and get smacked down if they usurp the Fed’s own rackets.
To the contrary, State governments are the only reason we don’t have a “dictatorship of the proletariat” - a socialist, totalitarian, new USSR.
I’m hoping there is some tongue-in-cheek irony in there somewhere that went over my feeble head ... because that is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard.
This would require an ammendment to the Constitution. I think this country is too big for a unitary government, anyway.
Wow. You’ve been here for a while (since 2001) but apparently haven’t learned much about the US constitution. How’s that possible if you’re a regular visitor to this site?
Errrr... we are a Republic.
I think I would prefer to see it the other way around.
But there's a reason why federalism was invented. If you don't like the state you're living in, simply move to the one more to your liking.
Alexander Hamilton proposed a Federal Government and no States. The States did not accept a Federal Constitution that dissolved the States then and they would not do so now. Federal Gov’t does not have the power to dissolve the States, but it is the other way around.
Please don’t vote. For anything.
You have to be in High School still, because . . . .
Can you IMAGINE the feds being the SOLE ARBITOR of rights in the US?
At this point, if I finally am fed up with living in the People’s Republic of Washington State, I can move to Utah, North Carolina, Oklahoma, or other states that are decidedly more conservative and have a half a chance of preserving what is left of my individual rights.
If you think the state you are living in has finally crossed the final line, then move to a more reasonable state and let the rest of the automatons grind it out in the state you are in now.
Yeah, increased centralization, that’s the ticket.
This is the GLOBALIST plan.
Are you a globalist/socialist/communist?
No big argument about the violations of the various Constitutions.
However, THE FEDS are FAR, FAR, FAR WORSE.
This might bear watching.
You’ve been on FR since 2001 and you’re posting this? I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that someone stole your user name and password.
Dumbest idea I’ve ever heard. Not only would such a move be entirely unwelcomed throughout the country, but it would be the most unconstitutional federal seizure of authority in the history of the country.
This is not a conservative idea, not Constitutional, and not in accord with the principles of the Republic set out by the founders. You’ve gone off the deep end.
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“Federal Gov’t does not have the power to dissolve the States, but it is the other way around.”
Exactly. In our republican form of government, it is the states that empower the federal government not the other way around. The vehicle for this is the constitution.
Posting stupid cr*p on a thread is no substitute for knowledge.
As for bad local laws (state and lower), I found that using my feet has been very effective in solving that problem. I refuse to move to, for example, California, New York (especially NYC), Massachusetts, New Jersey, or DC. I refuse to join a HOA to boot.
Under the US Constitution, state and local governments have considerable latitude regarding laws they can pass (yes, obviously some have gone beyond what the constitution permits).
This latitude, IMO, a good thing, especially as it relates to regulatory frameworks. Federalism reduces the tendency toward blights like regulatory capture, and exerts a force of downward harmonization of taxes and laws. As bad as the situation is now, it would be MUCH worse if the federal government had all of the power.
Do I smell smoke form a ZOT?!?!
PINGING the Viking Kitties!!!!
I agree. Horse puckey.
We all agree: Good Idea!
State legislators don't have to be saints or sages: it's enough that even if they're hacks, they're not the same hacks as the federal ones.
You're absolutely correct! I don't know if the poster was being serious in his post, but if he was, he shows a profound ingnorance of the Constitution and the origins of America.
I'll take one moment to enlighten the poster. The federal government in Washington was created by the States to serve the interests of the States, in particular, by being given enumerated powers and functions that the indiviual States allowed the federal government to use on the behalf of the States.
That being said, it would only take 36 of the aforementioned States to completely dissolve the federal government and all of it's institutions and programs (including the Supreme Court along with all of the federal courts) in a Constitutional Convention.
We’re functionally pretty close . . .
it’s just mostly under the table . . . for a while longer.
The whole lot of DC is a pile of stinking treasonous traitors.
So you would dissolve all state governments and make us totally subject to the feds? The feds are just as bad as the state govs, and you want to give them absolute power over everything the states had power over. Man that’s just crazy. I could get behind you more if you just proposed we have a revolution and demand all governments abide by the Constitution.
It will all be moot far too soon.
They’ve even scheduled the abolishment more or less of the FEDS . . . into the North American Union.
The whole treasonous lot of them out to be . . . tried and then keel hauled under the USS RONALD REAGAN . . . stem to stern.
A) that is something they actually have the authority to do.
B) Washington (DC) governance is worse then Washington (State of) governance.
RATS, socialists, queers, commies are getting upitiy again ain’t they?
The federal government was created by, and exists by consent of the States. What your proposing is nothing short of abrogation of the Constitution.
Wow. Just wow.
I hate it when that image of Mao & Stalin disappears... >:-(
Why don’t we keep state governments and get rid of the idiots running them instead. We should do the same with the idiots running the federal government as well. Stupidity and corruption are qualities a person must have if he wants to run for office. I don’t know how we manage to elect so many greedy slobs year after year?
It should read “orders of magitude more damage”.
I didn’t expect this to still be here today. Apparently the policies about formenting insurrection are no longer in effect.
The US government exists only because the state governments, and the People of the states, created it (with certain limitations and constraints, not all of which are enumerated in the Bill of Rights).
The City of Washington DC is the very example of the type of government you seek to impose upon the states.
The federal government was created by the States, and operates under a limited and enumerated set of powers transferred to it under the authority of the Constitution. The power to dissolve the governments of the States that created it is not among them.
The Constitution guarantees the States a republican form of government. Dissolving the state governments will effectively abolish the republic, and the Constitution will no longer be in effect.
You are proposing abolishing the United States of America. There would no longer be any States to unite.
We are a republic. The republic will survive if we have the will to act like one. You don't, and I'm not joining you.
You’re on acid.
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