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Russia: Monarchist Nostalgia Remains Powerful
RFERL ^ | October 2, 2006 | Victor J. Yasmann

Posted on 10/02/2006 3:07:05 PM PDT by sergey1973

PRAGUE, October 2, 2006 (RFE/RL) -- The recent reburial of the remains of Maria Fyodorovna, the Danish princess who married the future Aleksandr III of Russia in 1866, is the latest episode in a long-standing effort to cultivate the idea of restoring the monarchy in Russia.

The idea gained currency under President Boris Yeltsin in 1997, when his close circle, alarmed by the Russian president's ailing health, started to think about a possible successor. Some of them turned their attention to the living descendents of the Romanov dynasty. That same year, renovation work began at the Kremlin to restore the coronation hall and the tsar's throne. In 1998, Yeltsin attended a state ceremony to bury the remains of the last Russian emperor, Nicolas II, and his family, who were killed by the Bolsheviks in 1918.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: communism; eurasia; monarchy; pleasetelluswhattodo; putin; russia; wewanttoberuledbyyou

1 posted on 10/02/2006 3:07:06 PM PDT by sergey1973
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2 posted on 10/02/2006 3:09:08 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: sergey1973

Isn't that also what Solzhenitsyn wanted?


3 posted on 10/02/2006 3:10:24 PM PDT by Borges
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To: sergey1973

Hey, I'm a Tsarist! First thing that happens if the Tsar is restored, I send him a letter appealing to him to succor the little Orthodox mission I serve as a subdeacon. If it works like in the old days, we'll have an endowment for a priest, a new temple, an iconostasis dripping gold, and bells the envy of all the other churches in town, instead of using the front room of a house for our temple and sharing a priest with our mother parish because we can't afford our own.


4 posted on 10/02/2006 3:14:42 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Borges

I believe yes.


5 posted on 10/02/2006 3:15:37 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: sergey1973

Talk about circular political evolution.


6 posted on 10/02/2006 3:17:10 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: The_Reader_David

-:))) Hopefully you won't need the future Russian Tsar to have your own temple. Got to make your parish to chip in -:)) !


7 posted on 10/02/2006 3:19:27 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Sounds like it -:)) On the other hand, had there not be Bolshevik take over in 1917, a number of Political Observers concluded that Russia could have evolved into a Constitutional Monarchy, similar to Britain.




8 posted on 10/02/2006 3:21:31 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: sergey1973
A monarch can give people a powerful rallying symbol and socially unite them, while allowing political factions to exist within the political sphere. I'm not sure Russians want to rally behind a monarch, though. Anyway, there's at least two main claimants to the throne, Nicholai Romanovich Romanov and Maria Vladamirovna (whose name and style differ depending on who you ask). Pauline House Law was fairly strict when it came to marriages, but allowed almost anything to go if the Emperor approved -- that's why it's hard to get a consensus on whose claim is legitimate.

Anyway, royalty is just inbred institutionalized wealth and celebrity; they can always acclaim a king from some new blood if they really want one.

9 posted on 10/02/2006 3:28:00 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze
"they can always acclaim a king from some new blood if they really want one."


10 posted on 10/02/2006 3:41:10 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Caesar Soze
A monarch can give people a powerful rallying symbol and socially unite them, while allowing political factions to exist within the political sphere. I'm not sure Russians want to rally behind a monarch, though.

Russians seem to respect strongmen a lot more than democracy. Paraphrase of a comment I heard on democracy while in Russia
"Russian democracy will work when we find a man that can make it work from the top down!"

Of course what they probably should do would be to establish a new monarch and pitch the Romanovs over the side. If the family was such good royalty then why did they let themselves get deposed?

Dollars to donuts Putin will be angling for Tsar. Mark my words.

11 posted on 10/02/2006 3:42:59 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: sergey1973

Trouble is, the mother parish is in perpetual financial straights, too: all but one of the biggest donors moved way or died.


12 posted on 10/02/2006 3:43:24 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: sergey1973

Won't happen until the KGB agent in the Kremlin and his entrague is gone...

When Russia becomes a Democracy and completly renounces communism, only then does it deserve a constitutional monarchy.


13 posted on 10/02/2006 3:47:42 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Centurion2000

Putin can't. He was part of the Soviet Government before it fell. It has to be one of the Romanov's and CAN'T be someone from the Checka (Or it's successor)


14 posted on 10/02/2006 3:48:33 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: The_Reader_David

Sorry to hear this. Can you ask Orthodox Churches for help like Orthodox Church In America ?

http://www.oca.org/


15 posted on 10/02/2006 3:48:41 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: Centurion2000

Actually, there are rumors that the name Putin is the shortening of a surname of a cadet branch of the Romanovs, though the only connection one finds mentioned in official Russian sources is a claim that Putin's ancestors had been serfs of the first Romanov Tsar, or of his uncle.


16 posted on 10/02/2006 3:48:58 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Thunder90

"When Russia becomes a Democracy and completly renounces communism, only then does it deserve a constitutional monarchy."

Sorry, Thunder, but this sounds illogical to me. Does it mean that Constitutional Monarchy is the step ahead of Democracy -:))) ?

Maybe some countries are better off with Constitutional Monarchy then democracy because not every culture is compatible with American or European Style democracy.


17 posted on 10/02/2006 3:51:31 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: Centurion2000
"Dollars to donuts Putin will be angling for Tsar."

First thing I thought when I read the article.

18 posted on 10/02/2006 3:53:39 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: sergey1973

Still, Communism and the USSR will have to be publically denounced by the Russian government, and I don't see that happening soon...


19 posted on 10/02/2006 4:12:55 PM PDT by Thunder90
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"Dollars to donuts Putin will be angling for Tsar. Mark my words."

Probably you right, Centurion. However, if Putin becomes Tsar, he won't have any other choice but to recognize that his predecessor Nicholas II was murdered by the regime that Putin served. Therefore, some ceremony breaking at least in public with the vestiges of the old regime will have to take place.


20 posted on 10/02/2006 4:16:38 PM PDT by sergey1973
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"with the vestiges of the old regime".

I should have said "with the vestiges of the Communist regime".


21 posted on 10/02/2006 4:17:26 PM PDT by sergey1973
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22 posted on 10/02/2006 4:41:01 PM PDT by Mr.Smorch
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To: sergey1973
he won't have any other choice but to recognize that his predecessor Nicholas II was murdered by the regime that Putin served

That alone would be worth a coronation.

23 posted on 10/02/2006 4:46:52 PM PDT by annalex
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24 posted on 10/02/2006 4:58:56 PM PDT by Mr.Smorch
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Tsar Nikolai II was forced to resign by generals of his headquarter. This conspiracy was organized by England through ambassador. As a Moor after doing his duty - draining of blood Germany, Nikolai II was no more needed to his allies France and England. It was February bourgeois revolution, and Temporary Government was established with Kerensky as head of it. They arrested Tsar's family. Monarchy was unpopular at that time in Russia.
In April in Russia was imported Central Committee of Communist Party from Switzerland through territory of Germany. This operation was sponsored and financed by Germany headquarters through weapons trader Gelfand(Parvus), former revolutionary from Russian town Odessa. After WWI he become military adviser at Germany headquarter. It was his idea to use revolutionaries for undermining Russian government and use resulting disorder for destruction of country. France and England too would be satisfied by such outcome.
Lenin was accused by Temporary Government as German spy, and was forced to hide to very beginning of revolution. In October Communists perpetrated revolution.

I think, that Communist renegades smoked they history textbook instead of reading it. Monarchy and Orthodoxy have led Russia to revolution. May be they are masochists: after revolution and Civil War there will be new Stalin, who again will send all Bolsheviks to GULAG.
25 posted on 10/03/2006 6:05:51 AM PDT by Sergei_DV
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To: sergey1973; CWOJackson; GarySpFc; Thunder90
Found this little gem and this is part of what leads me to think he might want to be Tsar.

Putin Hits 50 ... excerpt ... 10/7/2002

By Steve Rosenberg
BBC correspondent in Moscow

Russian President Vladimir Putin is celebrating his 50th birthday away from his homeland. ......

So, what would you give the leader of one of the world's most powerful nations for his 50th birthday?

That's the question that Russians have been pondering in the run-up to Mr Putin's big day.

Flattery

And they have come up with some inventive solutions, such as this one from the Russian Association of Jewellers: a replica of the coronation crown of the tsars.

Hardly practical, but extremely flattering, which is - after all - the whole point if you're giving a gift to a Russian president.

26 posted on 10/03/2006 8:01:06 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: Centurion2000
Dollars to donuts Putin will be angling for Tsar. Mark my words.

I can appreciate what you are saying in that Putin's sovereign democracy at times looks like a monarchy. However, Putin has made it very clear that he values the constitution, and believes democracy will be advanced in Russia if he does not run again. That said, Putin is a Russian patriot, and I don't doubt he will likely take another job in the government or even as the head of Gazprom, which will cause the Russophobes to scream, "It's a KGB conspiracy." It is going to be interesting to see their reaction, and the new pictures they will distort and new caricatures they will spend endless hours creating to express what they are unable to verbalize.

Putin Says He Won't Seek 3rd Term
On Call-In Show, President Hints at Continuing Political Role in Russia


MOSCOW, Sept. 27 -- President Vladimir Putin told Russians during a nationally televised call-in show Tuesday that he would vacate the Kremlin in 2008 when his second term ends. But he hinted at some subsequent political role when he added, "As they say in the military, I will find my place in the ranks."

While dismissing the notion that he would engineer constitutional changes to allow himself a third term, he responded jokingly to criticism that he had centralized power, taken over much of the broadcast media and shut out political opposition.

"I do not see my goal as sitting in the Kremlin endlessly and having Channels One, Two and Three constantly show the same face, and if someone chooses a different channel, the FSB director would appear on the screen and tell viewers to go back to the first three channels," he said during the nearly three-hour program, alluding to a joke from Soviet times. The FSB is the domestic successor of the KGB, the feared Soviet security service.

"I don't consider it appropriate to introduce any changes in the constitution," said Putin, 52, whose future is the subject of constant speculation here. When pressed afterward by reporters about what post-presidential role he might seek, he said, "Let's maintain the suspense," according to the Russian news agency ITAR-Tass.

He dismissed suggestions that he was creating one-man or one-party rule. "The danger of a return to a monopoly of power does not exist," he said.
27 posted on 10/03/2006 8:59:03 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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