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Is Senator Barack Obama Truly Too Elite To Be Elected President?
Findlaw.com ^ | May 16, 2008 | John W. Dean

Posted on 05/16/2008 10:26:42 AM PDT by imd102

In an earlier column, I raised the matter of whether, and how, Senator Barack Obama's conspicuous intelligence may act as a barrier to his being elected president. [SNIP]

In recent years, Democrats have nominated presidential candidates who are far more intelligent that their Republican counterparts. Common sense might suggest that high intelligence is necessary to be president, and conclude that we should applaud such nominations. Election politics, unfortunately, usually punishes the more intelligent nominee.

Start with Nixon. Hubert Humphrey had a remarkable mind and while Nixon was no slouch, Humphrey always struck those who knew both men well as way ahead of Nixon in intellect....In 1976, Jimmy Carter (a nuclear physicist by training) made Gerald Ford seem something of a dunce (indeed, Lyndon Johnson had once said that Ford was incapable of chewing gum and thinking at the same time). Carter's Southern drawl, however, made his intelligence less than conspicuous, enabling him to win at least one term. But Ronald Reagan, whom no one will ever accuse of being an intellectual (his favored briefing material as president was Reader's Digest) trounced the elitist Carter in 1980, and then the far more mentally agile Walter Mondale in 1984.

Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry all were far brighter than their GOP opponents (George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and George W. Bush), but only Clinton made it to the White House. Clinton played down his intelligence and education (Georgetown, Oxford and Yale Law), and played up his bubba image....

Maybe Americans are ready to reconsidering wanting to elect the less intelligent candidate. And maybe Democrats can effectively deal with this bogus charge.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackobama; bitter; bush; dean; democratparty; democrats; election; elections; obama
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I'm always amazed how liberals manage to paint republicans as too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time, but yet still claim they are diabolical enough to pull off mass election fraud and Halliburton-controls-the-world type conspiracies.
1 posted on 05/16/2008 10:26:42 AM PDT by imd102
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To: imd102

...only if you consider cocaine snortin’, gay terrorist appeasers ELITE..........


2 posted on 05/16/2008 10:30:01 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: imd102

He’s too socialist. Too liberal.

If you want to call that “elitism,” that’s fine with me, but more specifically, he’s too liberal and too socialist.


3 posted on 05/16/2008 10:31:01 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: imd102

Nixon was a brilliant man.


4 posted on 05/16/2008 10:31:11 AM PDT by Borges
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To: imd102
"Conspicuous intelligence?"

I've seen nothing of the sort.

5 posted on 05/16/2008 10:32:09 AM PDT by manapua
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To: imd102

No, but HE thinks he is.


6 posted on 05/16/2008 10:33:26 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: imd102

Democrats will vote for anyone who lies enough so yes he can get elected.


7 posted on 05/16/2008 10:34:48 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: imd102

“I’m always amazed how liberals manage to paint republicans as too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time...”

I don’t think you can call John Dean of the Nixon White House a “liberal”, despite his being a bit of a hero to them for helping to bring down Nixon.


8 posted on 05/16/2008 10:35:31 AM PDT by onguard
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To: imd102

“I’m always amazed how liberals manage to paint republicans as too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time...”

I don’t think you can call John Dean of the Nixon White House a “liberal”, despite his being a bit of a hero to them for helping to bring down Nixon.


9 posted on 05/16/2008 10:35:37 AM PDT by onguard
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To: imd102

Yeah, he’s too intellectual. Just like Gore, the cerebral giant.

Anyone remember the endless articles and journalistic references to Gore’s gargantuan intellect?

This doesn’t tell us much about Gore, though it tells us volumes about the kind of people who work for the print media.

Now it looks like we’re going to be subjected to endless references to Obama’s superior intellect. But only if we bother to read them.


10 posted on 05/16/2008 10:36:03 AM PDT by marron
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To: imd102

Both Obama and McCain are truly too leftist for this country, and this is a serious long-term problem for the entire U.S.!


11 posted on 05/16/2008 10:37:50 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: imd102
They're all oh so smart.


12 posted on 05/16/2008 10:39:37 AM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: imd102
It is appalling the way this guy, Obama, out and out, abjectly lies and no one calls him on it.

In 2007 he said that he would meet, in the first year of his presidency, with Iran, North Korea, Syria, and Venezuela. Three of those are listed as state sponsors of terror. They fund and support Hezbollah, Hamas, and others, and Iran is actively helping kill our own soldiers in Iraq.

So, by his own words, to meet with the without condition, he is an appeaser. These two photographs make the statement better than any:

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH - BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

13 posted on 05/16/2008 10:41:05 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: imd102

Here’s the tip-off. Intelligence is characterized by original thinking. All Liberals think alike.


14 posted on 05/16/2008 10:41:54 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: onguard
I don’t think you can call John Dean of the Nixon White House a “liberal”, despite his being a bit of a hero to them for helping to bring down Nixon.

Good point. But, if all you know of Dean is his writings on Findlaw, which is all I did until I looked into his history (sorry, the Nixon days were before my time) there is no term more fitting than "liberal". Either way, his ideas certainly are representative of those on the left, and that is more where my comment was focused.

15 posted on 05/16/2008 10:42:35 AM PDT by imd102
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To: imd102

The Presidential election is about who can best lead, it is not a test of ideas or IQ.


16 posted on 05/16/2008 10:44:00 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: imd102
 "I'm always amazed how liberals manage to paint republicans as too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time, but yet still claim they are diabolical enough to pull off mass election fraud and Halliburton-controls-the-world type conspiracies."

I'm always amazed at how many people think Halliburton is an oil company, instead of an engineering firm.

17 posted on 05/16/2008 10:49:02 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: imd102
"In recent years, Democrats have nominated presidential candidates who are far more intelligent that their Republican counterparts."

Like George W. Bush, with his Harvard MBA, is "dumber" than Al Gore, who flunked out of Vanderbilt Divinity School???

18 posted on 05/16/2008 10:49:03 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Brilliant

He is too much of a pansy to be president. An effeminate wimp.


19 posted on 05/16/2008 10:49:49 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: imd102

Neville Hussein Obama is to elete to be elected as president in any normal election cycle. Unless events unfold that will change the political and national mood landscape, he will be carried into the White House on the waves of a perfect storm named change just for the sake of change.


20 posted on 05/16/2008 10:51:33 AM PDT by buckalfa
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To: imd102

I guess the more important point is that he was wrong about what he was writing. In particular, I believe that the elder president Bush was probably the most intelligent president we’ve had for many decades, and Reagan and Ford were very underrated. However, I think he has a point that voters don’t like candidates that come across as too intellectual.


21 posted on 05/16/2008 10:51:38 AM PDT by onguard
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To: imd102

Obama might not be “too elite” to get elected, but he is definitely too Marxist.


22 posted on 05/16/2008 10:52:55 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Red Badger

“Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry all were far brighter than their GOP opponents”

The Towering Intellect of Mike Dukakis??? Huh?
Al Gore who flunked out of divinty school and failed his science courses is just a major thinker!

Pa-LEASE!


23 posted on 05/16/2008 10:52:59 AM PDT by Holicheese (Hillary deserves the CMoH for her time in Tuzla!)
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To: imd102

One thing I do know—he is SUCH A WHINER!!!!!

I called my two Dem Senators today—Biden and Carper—about Feinstein’s amnesty amendment to the Iraq supplemental bill.

Then I told their staffer to have these two, as superdelegates, to call Sen. Obama and tell him to stop being such a crybaby about the “appeasement remarks” by President Bush. I told them the President didn’t mention Obama by name, and everything the President said was factually and historically accurate.

I also gave the Biden staffer what for because of Senator Pottymouth’s swearing yesterday.

I then called Sen. McConnell’s office and asked why more GOP Senators aren’t joining in to defend the President on his remarks and to tell Obama to stop being such a crybaby.

The GOP once again risks losing an advantage by sitting around and letting the Dems run to the microphones and shape public opinion.


24 posted on 05/16/2008 10:53:34 AM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: imd102
In recent years, Democrats have nominated presidential candidates who are far more intelligent that their Republican counterparts.

Now that's not an elitist thing to say, is it, Mr. Dean ?!

Last time I checked, Algore flunked out of Divinity school and GW Bush had an MBA from Harvard!
25 posted on 05/16/2008 10:53:45 AM PDT by Bobkk47
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To: Redbob
 "Like George W. Bush, with his Harvard MBA, is "dumber" than Al Gore, who flunked out of Vanderbilt Divinity School??? "

Similarly, people claim Clinton is smart because he's a Rhodes scholar when the reality is that he is an Oxford dropout.  Anyone that gets a scholarship to any college and doesn't complete the program should be thought of as stupid, not smart.
26 posted on 05/16/2008 10:54:18 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: imd102
...John Kerry all were far brighter ...George W. Bush...

Must be awfully embarrasing, then, that George Bush got better grades than John Kerry at Yale.

27 posted on 05/16/2008 10:54:24 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: RedRover

Original thinking is on vacation when Barack Obama gives a speech. That’s why he needs to say “Just Words?” when quoting great speeches. The men who uttered them first did so at the risk of their lives. When Barack repeats them, they are in fact “Just Words”.


28 posted on 05/16/2008 10:55:16 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jeff Head

“In 2007 he said that he would meet, in the first year of his presidency, with Iran, North Korea, Syria, and Venezuela. Three of those are listed as state sponsors of terror. They fund and support Hezbollah, Hamas, and others, and Iran is actively helping kill our own soldiers in Iraq.

So, by his own words, to meet with the without condition, he is an appeaser.”

This is a non-issue. Just because you meet with someone doesn’t make you an appeaser. You are an appeaser only if you make some concessions to them. Reagan met with the leaders of “the evil empire” and he was certainly no appeaser.


29 posted on 05/16/2008 10:55:24 AM PDT by onguard
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To: imd102

There are many reasons he is not qualified to be POTUS - lack of experience, Rev. Wright issue, etc.


30 posted on 05/16/2008 10:56:40 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Holicheese

Weren’t Bush’s GPA’s higher than Kerry’s?......


31 posted on 05/16/2008 10:56:44 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Holicheese
 "Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry all were far brighter than their GOP opponents

Keep in mind that they are so smart that only one Democrat since 1964 (44 years ago) has won the position of POTUS with a majority of the electorate.  And that was Jimmy who promptly thrown out on his butt after four years.

32 posted on 05/16/2008 10:57:40 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: imd102

Notice that all the examples are of leftist/dhimmirat geniuses and conservative dunces.

Of COURSE, you have to be dumb to be a conservative, duh!

What an arrogant ASSumption on the part of the author of this piece.


33 posted on 05/16/2008 10:58:05 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: imd102

John W. Dean, of the “Watergate” Dean’s?

I thought he was dead.


34 posted on 05/16/2008 10:58:36 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: imd102
My oh my, they just don't get it do they? The vast chasm between academic intelligence and wisdom is lost on these dolts (even if we concede the point that the left's candidates had better academic credentials than the right's). Likewise the difference between management skills and leadership. I know which I want in a President.
35 posted on 05/16/2008 10:58:45 AM PDT by Riflema
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To: imd102

Note that Obama will NOT release his transcripts. Easy to act too intelligent when being fed Duval Patrick’s lines.


36 posted on 05/16/2008 10:59:33 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Michelle O's handlers: "Get me white people...!!!")
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To: onguard

“I don’t think you can call John Dean of the Nixon White House a “liberal”, despite his being a bit of a hero to them for helping to bring down Nixon.”

John Dean is a real SOB


37 posted on 05/16/2008 11:01:04 AM PDT by unkus
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To: MortMan

That’s the problem with the leftist paradigm, the leftist worldview -

they believe that some are more “perfect” or elite than others,

and therefore have the knowledge, wisdom, and the OBLIGATION to make decisions in the lives of others. This is just an assumption on their part, due to their worldview.

This needs to be challenged. They think they know more about running businesses than any businessman running his own business. CHALLENGE IT.

DEMAND to know what they know about small business, and what gives them the right and the authority to tell those who DO know how to run businesses how to run them differently.

DEMAND to know how they can possibly know how any individual child needs to be taught, better than the parents that are raising them.

EXPOSE these arrogant asses for what they are.


38 posted on 05/16/2008 11:01:33 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: imd102
"Clinton played down his intelligence and education (Georgetown, Oxford and Yale Law)"

A quote from the Oxford Dean of Students during BillyJeff's tenure: "Fat, stoned and stupid is no way to go through life son."


39 posted on 05/16/2008 11:02:45 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: DuncanWaring

Bush also beat Kerry’s scores on the military assessment tests.


40 posted on 05/16/2008 11:03:00 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: DuncanWaring
 "Must be awfully embarrasing, then, that George Bush got better grades than John Kerry at Yale. "

Anyone that thinks a man with an undergraduate degree from Yale and a post graduate degree from Harvard is dumb... quite frankly is showing their own ignorance.  I graduated magna cum laude from a large state university and was promptly humbled by colleagues with the same degrees from these very same Ivy league schools.

41 posted on 05/16/2008 11:03:02 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: imd102

“...conspicuous intelligence...”

sorry, laughing too hard, couldn’t get past that early sentence.


42 posted on 05/16/2008 11:04:33 AM PDT by sheana
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To: HawaiianGecko
undergraduate degree from Yale and a post graduate degree from Harvard is dumb

The leftists that I've confronted with this maintain that both colleges were willing to risk their status and their "brand" by giving GW Bush easier grades and passing him when he didn't deserve it.

Such knots you have to twist yourself into to justify a leftist position.

43 posted on 05/16/2008 11:05:50 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: DuncanWaring
And Bush's SAT score was higher than Kerry's, too.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1247957/posts
44 posted on 05/16/2008 11:06:44 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: sheana

His answers to the financial/economic questions show his

conspicuousness as a glittering jewel of ignorance.


45 posted on 05/16/2008 11:06:56 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: onguard

I believe Dean, ever since his recoverey from concer, is a registered Democratchik and stumps for the party.

But then again, I though he had died about 4 years ago...


46 posted on 05/16/2008 11:07:26 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: imd102
Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry all were far brighter than their GOP opponents (George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and George W. Bush), but only Clinton made it to the White House.

This line, right here, indicates the problem. By what measure is he making this assessment? Has he given each of those men an IQ test or studied their academic achievements? Or is he simply considering the superficial appearance of being educated? The problem ultimately isn't one of intelligence but of contempt of the sort seen in this article. You can be smarter than someone else but that doesn't make you morally superior to them or even a better leader.

47 posted on 05/16/2008 11:12:35 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: onguard

Sorry, we disagree. To meet with state sponsors of terror without condition, is in itself appeasing them.


48 posted on 05/16/2008 11:15:38 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: imd102

Wrong question.

The correct question is “Is the American electorate so stupid they will put this guy in office?”

Sadly, in America these days, ANTYHING is possible.


49 posted on 05/16/2008 11:19:46 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: onguard
I don’t think you can call John Dean of the Nixon White House a “liberal”, despite his being a bit of a hero to them for helping to bring down Nixon.

Inasmuch as the whole Watergate thing was to protect Maureen Dean (Mrs John Dean), he could be said to be one of the biggest ingrates ever imaginable. That being a trait of liberals, I believe that the charcterization of Dean as a liberal hits the ten ring...

the infowarrior

50 posted on 05/16/2008 11:21:00 AM PDT by infowarrior
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