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Hating Bush C'mon, everybody's doing it!
Modern Conservative ^ | May 16, 2008 | Christopher Cook

Posted on 05/16/2008 4:56:22 PM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

Hating Bush

C'mon, everybody's doing it!
By Christopher Cook

Look, I know that President Bush has disappointed us in many ways. He's lousy at selling even his best ideas. His first term was a smashing success; his second term has been much less effective. He's made some mistakes, and he's deviated from core conservatism in several areas.

The left hates him the way the Democrats hated Lincoln—not just political hate, but a burning, visceral, personal hate. But we conservatives and Republicans, however disappointed we may be in aspects of his conduct of the office of president, should do two things:

a) we should remember all of the good things he has done...and there are a lot of them.

b) we should never allow our disappointment to become a personal, emotional hatred.

Reading some pundits and writers, I think that some on our side have failed on both of those. Peggy Noonan's most recent piece contains a lot in with which I agree, but the trend in a lot of her other recent pieces has seemed to indicate a growing personal bitterness towards the man. That's sad.


I am reminded of all this stuff today because of a speech Bush just gave in Israel. (News here. Excellent summary and analysis here.)

Read the man's words. Read how much he, on the deepest level, gets it...


(Excerpt) Read more at modernconservative.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bds; bitterness; bush; bushhaters; hatred; presidentbush
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1 posted on 05/16/2008 4:56:22 PM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
Peggy Noonan's most recent piece contains a lot in with which I agree, but the trend in a lot of her other recent pieces has seemed to indicate a growing personal bitterness towards the man. That's sad.

No, that's just Peggy; bitter that she doesn't have access to the WH like she did under GHWB.

2 posted on 05/16/2008 5:00:03 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Sorry, Bush is in it for himself. He’s left scorched Earth behind him for meager results. He’s defined conservativism as himself and his policies. He’s screwed the pooch and there’s no sign of him doing anything to fix it. He trying to re-create Bill Clinton’s last year for his Nobel Peace Prize for creating a Palestinian State, no matter that it another terrorist entity now and has no reason to stop terror.


3 posted on 05/16/2008 5:06:32 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Bush is 100x better than Juan McTraitor.


4 posted on 05/16/2008 5:06:53 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: Old Sarge

LOL—If that’s what Peggy writes when she’s “bitter,” what about the vast majority of those who have been writing the exact same thing here for months, if not years? Those complaints are also invalid for personal reasons?


5 posted on 05/16/2008 5:07:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Anyone who would subvert our sovereignty in the NAU, anyone who would willingly keep the borders wide open in a time of danger, anyone who would water down our precious votes with the amnesty of millions of socialist aliens, simply and specifically does *not* get it.

Horhay needs to go hang out with his dad in KennedyBunkMatePort and go fishing.


6 posted on 05/16/2008 5:07:41 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

We could have done worse than Bush. In fact, we are about to.


7 posted on 05/16/2008 5:10:04 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

>> “to become a personal, emotional hatred.”

Glad no exclusions were made for logical hatred.

Noonan’s work of late depicts shallow sensibilities. I suggest she indulge in a healthy cup of vinegar before writing her next masterpiece.


8 posted on 05/16/2008 5:11:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: CharacterCounts

Yes exactly.

Personally I love the man.


9 posted on 05/16/2008 5:12:32 PM PDT by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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To: CharacterCounts

I thought, and think, he has been one of the great ones. If he had the legislature he campaigned for and deserved so much more would have been done.

I admire and respect him and am enraged that so few stood for fight for him, except for the troops,of course, who appreciate him almost as much as they appreciate him.


10 posted on 05/16/2008 5:15:01 PM PDT by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Theodore Roosevelt once said “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”


11 posted on 05/16/2008 5:15:22 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: Old Sarge

Peggy has been writing mostly about Hussein this year, she is really swooning.

We should send smelling salts!


12 posted on 05/16/2008 5:16:46 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

The harsh critics of President Bush - as to be distinguised from the crude, rude and vile Dimocraps - will wish for the good’ol days of Bush #43 once we’re in a dizzy spin with any one of the 3 Presidential contenders.
I also disagree with President Bush on many of his domestic policies but he has my 100% support on our WOT. At least I can disagree without my loaded rifle at my side.


13 posted on 05/16/2008 5:16:46 PM PDT by caisson71 (Times change, values don't.)
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To: CharacterCounts; angcat

Yep, unfortunately it’s downhill from here, no matter who wins the election. Of course Bush is imperfect, but he’s a good man who has done a lot of things right. I really enjoyed his powerful speech to the Knesset ... beats the empty “hope and change” speeches and the global warming nuttiness.


14 posted on 05/16/2008 5:20:21 PM PDT by chickpundit
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To: caisson71


President Bush in Israel yesterday.
15 posted on 05/16/2008 5:21:35 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: Gene Eric
Noonan’s work of late depicts shallow sensibilities.

If you bothered to read her column today, then I'd wager you just insulted 85-95% of FReepdom.

16 posted on 05/16/2008 5:30:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: roses of sharon

Probably trawling for a job in the Husayn ibn Mahomet WH pressers...


17 posted on 05/16/2008 5:30:37 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: prov1813man

If he could run again I would vote for him as long as he had a good speech writer and had controlled interviews at all times. The man really failed by not being able to communicate why he justified certain decisions in running a global empire.

Other then that, thank you George Bush for keeping the nation running after 911 and preventing a nuclear 911 by keeping the fight in the ME where it belongs. Thank you for caring enough about the American people enough to kiss Islam’s collective behind even though I know you despise them as a group. Calling it a religion of peace was probably unecessary but this goes back to my previous sentence.

Thank you for yelling from the rooftops after 911 that we needed immediate energy independence although your own House shot your ideas down because of there greed. No, you deviated from them as a collective group and this created new Democratic enemies who shredded every ounce of your accomplishments.

Now please focus once again in your last few months of office screaming for energy independence once again from the rooftops and leave the Palestinian issue alone, it is very much a waste of time and every President seems to try this at the end of there term and fail. The globe now knows the Palestinian excuse for global Islamic terrorists to justify there murder is a joke.


18 posted on 05/16/2008 5:30:51 PM PDT by quant5
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To: prov1813man; roses of sharon

You know, it’s funny. I have my misgivings about a lot of what W has said and done and not said and not done. But, as Yeats’ wrote (as I recall) “What we have thought and done and done and thought must ramble and thin out like milk spilt upon a stone.” After much rambling by W (he is, no doubt, a terrible communicator), we have to look at his conviction in the times in which we have all lived—spoken by deeds, not words. I firmly believe that Bush will not only be vindicated in his expressed beliefs, but that the seeds of what he has sown will eventually flower into a great, stout oak of liberty in the middle east and beyond. He will not merely be considered one of America’s great presidents, he will be hailed as a great patron of humanity itself.


19 posted on 05/16/2008 5:37:28 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

memo to the casual reader: threads like this attract the rabid anti-Bush and anti-Noonan crowd. They’re quite predictable, and they most certainly do not represent FR. In fact, most of them are DUmmies in thin disguise.


20 posted on 05/16/2008 5:40:13 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the jihadis are the shock troops of communism.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
"The left hates him the way the Democrats hated Lincoln—not just political hate, but a burning, visceral, personal hate. But we conservatives and Republicans, however disappointed we may be in aspects of his conduct of the office of president..."

"We" Republicans took a man who lifted us up out of the rubble of 9/11, inspired us not only to fight the enemy that Bill Clinton almost completely ignored for the sake of his "legacy", but equally importantly reminded us of how EASY it is to work together in the face of adversity and we threw him under the bus just like Barack Hussein Obama did his racist mentor. Around Katrina, many "conservatives" damned that same man for not breaking the 11th Amendment the way Bill did at Waco, and it was straight downhill on greased rails from there.

"Real" conservatives hate Mexicans with with that same gnawing, visceral hatred that Democrats reserve for him, while American jobs were being funneled to CHINA via BILL CLINTON'S PNTR - but China isn't Mexico, so that's ok. We aided and abetted the enemy. In a time of war, we aided and abetted the enemy. We've cut the legs out from under our leader because little l libertarians hate George Bush just like Cindy Sheehan does. Just like her boyfriend, Lew Rockwell the Real Conservative. We're Code Pink, we "conservatives" are. We only lack the groovy T shirts.

President George Bush, though he HAS disappointed us on occasion, but not nearly as much as some conservatives have disappointed him. We DESERVE McCain.

21 posted on 05/16/2008 6:11:42 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama's bus needs a lift kit just to clear all the bodies!)
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To: cake_crumb
"Real" conservatives hate Mexicans

The new Republican campaign slogan?

22 posted on 05/16/2008 6:15:40 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: the invisib1e hand

Those are Paulites. They think they’re subtle, but their posts are copied and pasted from the libertarian battle plan, which is directly plagiarized from Trotsky. All that proves if that they need to put the crack pipes down and step away from the keyboards for a while, but just try telling that to these delusional neurotics.


23 posted on 05/16/2008 6:16:26 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama's bus needs a lift kit just to clear all the bodies!)
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To: dragnet2

HAH!


24 posted on 05/16/2008 6:16:50 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama's bus needs a lift kit just to clear all the bodies!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Go take your meds.


25 posted on 05/16/2008 6:17:52 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama's bus needs a lift kit just to clear all the bodies!)
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To: 1rudeboy

Noonan’s work of late depicts shallow sensibilities.

“If you bothered to read her column today, then I’d wager you just insulted 85-95% of FReepdom.”
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GOOD!


26 posted on 05/16/2008 6:31:01 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: roses of sharon

Considering the political inclinations of American Jews, I wonder how they imagine America’s support for Israel if Osama is our next President?


27 posted on 05/16/2008 6:33:59 PM PDT by caisson71 (Times change, values don't.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You can count me as decidedly PRO-Bush and ANTI-Noonan.

Let’s remember what the infamously bitter, petty Noonan had to say about RONALD REAGAN:

“The battle for the mind of Ronald Reagan was like the trench warfare of World War I: never have so many fought so hard for such barren terrain”
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All of the negative garbage Noonan spews about President Bush should be evaluated with the aforementioned quote in mind!


28 posted on 05/16/2008 6:36:45 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Jabba the Nutt

BS


29 posted on 05/16/2008 6:45:01 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Jabba the Nutt

I still think Bush is a wonderful President and I THANK GOD Gore did not get in!


30 posted on 05/16/2008 6:46:15 PM PDT by blueyon (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: cake_crumb

AMEN


31 posted on 05/16/2008 6:49:57 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: 1rudeboy

>> If you bothered to read her column today, then I’d wager you just insulted 85-95% of FReepdom.

That’s something Noonan would say.


32 posted on 05/16/2008 6:51:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Old Sarge; All
Sadly, the speech the president gave before the Knesset was completely unknown here. It was one of his best. The audience was stomping and clapping over his affirmation of support for the right of Israel to exist - stated in Hebrew. It just lept rising and rising, with a few ruf ruf's thrown in. After a decent interval, they had to be TOLD to knock it off and let the man speak.

Would that he still had that sort of support in this country outside our military.

33 posted on 05/16/2008 6:59:23 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama's bus needs a lift kit just to clear all the bodies!)
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To: roses of sharon

You and I have heard the media proclam our President has a 60% disapproval rating. I’m sure, at the present, the Lord God and His Son, Jesus Christ has an even larger dsapproval ratng. So or President is in good company.

“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God; the powers that be are ordained of God” (Romans 13:1-7)


34 posted on 05/16/2008 7:13:31 PM PDT by LetMarch ((If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

The speech to the Knesset is wonderful. The President does understand the most important issue of our times. If he were running for re-election I would vote for him. But I would vote for him for that reason alone.

Unfortunately, President Bush has his heart in the right place but has been a poor leader. The Noonan article nailed it. Bush has been right any number of times yet unable to articulate his (and my) point of view in a way to convince the American people. The war in Iraq is just one (the most important one) example.

When he made his case for the war in Iraq, I didn’t need convincing. I knew that Saddam was supporting and exporting terrorism, whether he could be tied in to Al Queda or not. But I felt a deep foreboding when he rested his case so firmly on the WMD. I felt that the delays in invading made it a near certainty that none would be found and that this would be a powerful weapon in the hands of his political adveraries. I hate being right about things like this. His enemies ripped and tore at him over this and he was, frankly impotent in response. A more articulate leader might have made his case, but he did not or could not. He has never really recovered.

Now it appears that he has taken the entire Republican party down with him, and putting the government of the US in the hands of a Democreatic Party that has moved so far to the Left that I no longer recognize it, at the worst possible time in history. The war against radical Islam could be won, but Hillary or Barack will turn that opportunity into disaster. The economy could be turned around with decent tax policy and a return to a solid dollar, but the Dems are likely to give us a Depression.

Don’t want to sound pessimistic :-)


35 posted on 05/16/2008 7:27:41 PM PDT by free_for_now (No Dick Dale in the R&R HOF? - for shame!)
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To: Gene Eric
That’s something Noonan would say.

No, I don't have to make things up. Here's what Noonan wrote. Please explain what you find so "shallow" about it.

36 posted on 05/16/2008 7:27:42 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DrDeb

My question in #36 is directed to you as well. Let’s have less emoting.


37 posted on 05/16/2008 7:30:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

And I refer you to my post at #28.


38 posted on 05/16/2008 7:32:56 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: free_for_now
The President does understand the most important issue of our times. If he were running for re-election I would vote for him. But I would vote for him for that reason alone.

Given a choice between our current three candidates and GWB, I too would be delighted to vote for the President...again.

39 posted on 05/16/2008 7:36:37 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: DrDeb

Thanks. Now I have another book to read. If I find it quickly enough, I’ll inform you how you butchered that quote. Even a hostile-to-Reagan book review in the NYT uses ellipsis points.


40 posted on 05/16/2008 7:42:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: roses of sharon

This Bush hatred sickness has gone from pathology to something more extreme than I ever thought I would see.... and I think the roots are in a simple phenomenom.

The left and a lot on the right cannot accept that a politician or a President can simply say what is on his mind and go about doing what he thinks is right.

Because they cannot accept that, they are forced to invent an alternate universe that has a sinister character they call Bush and fill it with all kinds of fanciful ideas and motivations.

The game that is played is “what is Bush really up to?” or some variation of it and because none of this constuct makes a lot of sense they are constantly tripped up ...Bush is “stupid” but he outfoxes people right and left so therefore it must be Cheney or Rove controlling him or telling him what to do.

It is this distorted picture that they all hate which is a sick delusion they are sure is reality.

This is a question someone posed and my reply from another thread which sums up what I think we got for the last 8 years from the “worst president in history”:

Tell me what did conservatives get out of it?

We got what liberals, independents, and all Americans got... We got to not be attacked since 9/11 by vicious fanatical Muslim nazis who have no problem killing you and themselves in the name of Allah.We got to watch as their infrastucture and organization has been largely decimated in a foreign land whose wealth could buy them any weapon man can devise. We got to see some reasonably honest people struggle with a world that spiraled out of control as the country and Bill Clinton were lulled to sleep by a nice girl named Monica and we get to watch as those who think WE are the nazis beat a drum daily that our president is the bogeyman.


41 posted on 05/16/2008 8:05:04 PM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie
Yes, the conspiracies are amazing, with Clinton, he had the media to protect him, simply deeming detractors as “haters”.

With Pres Bush, they promote and advertise conspiracies, ie, Michael Moore's movie.

He simply could not have played a tit-for-tat with the MSM, it is impossible to run a 24/7/365 political campaign, and wars in two theaters. It takes time,logistics, and money to run a political campaign.

I notice many inaccuracies of facts and timelines even on this thread, about WMD, Iraq, and such. Just imagine what the public must think, if even here we cannot get it right.

Most Presidents have had a basic right in this country, a media who felt an obligation to the even smallest of truths, FDR did not face even a fraction of the propaganda and lies by national media that this Pres has.

Clinton's “war room” of MSM/DNC/Hollywood/Academia dehumanized this President as a political opponent, which leads to hatred, fear, conspiracies, and radicalism.

It was an unprecedented betrayal of the Pres, our military, and our country, and I will always hate them for it, and will never forgive them. This I will pass down thru future generations, as we all should.

42 posted on 05/16/2008 8:40:01 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: cake_crumb

I believe you’ve completely lost your mind, man. That is the most unhinged rant I have read here in a long time.


43 posted on 05/16/2008 10:38:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Three things, and they’re big one, that I’m pleased with Bush about: WAR ON TERROR, Robert and Alito.


44 posted on 05/16/2008 11:01:43 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: roses of sharon

Very well stated


45 posted on 05/16/2008 11:42:20 PM PDT by woofie
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To: cake_crumb
"We" Republicans took a man who lifted us up out of the rubble of 9/11, inspired us not only to fight the enemy that Bill Clinton almost completely ignored for the sake of his "legacy", but equally importantly reminded us of how EASY it is to work together in the face of adversity and we threw him under the bus just like Barack Hussein Obama did his racist mentor. Around Katrina, many "conservatives" damned that same man for not breaking the 11th Amendment the way Bill did at Waco, and it was straight downhill on greased rails from there. "Real" conservatives hate Mexicans with with that same gnawing, visceral hatred that Democrats reserve for him, while American jobs were being funneled to CHINA via BILL CLINTON'S PNTR - but China isn't Mexico, so that's ok. We aided and abetted the enemy. In a time of war, we aided and abetted the enemy. We've cut the legs out from under our leader because little l libertarians hate George Bush just like Cindy Sheehan does. Just like her boyfriend, Lew Rockwell the Real Conservative. We're Code Pink, we "conservatives" are. We only lack the groovy T shirts. President George Bush, though he HAS disappointed us on occasion, but not nearly as much as some conservatives have disappointed him. We DESERVE McCain.

Best rant on FRee Republic since Pukin Dogs manifesto.

46 posted on 05/16/2008 11:42:41 PM PDT by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: Ilya Mourometz
"He will not merely be considered one of America’s great presidents, he will be hailed as a great patron of humanity itself."

I agree! Bless you!
47 posted on 05/17/2008 5:47:18 AM PDT by connell (I will not cease from mental fight, nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: 1rudeboy

I read the article, I’ve purchased her books, and I’ll check out her columns in WSJ when I have free time. There are plenty of well written Conservative articles that I don’t need to look up to in order to read. Maybe I’m beneath her intended audience.

My comments were based on the collection of her recent writings.


48 posted on 05/17/2008 7:35:05 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: cake_crumb

Tell me where I’m wrong (and get a new joke).


49 posted on 05/17/2008 8:39:37 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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To: mimaw

Point out where I’m wrong. Can you?


50 posted on 05/17/2008 8:40:16 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (I'm just a typical bitter, white, heteronormative space worm clinging to guns and God.)
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