Voters last November passed the same three initiatives, but city officials balked at recognizing them.

Sometimes I wonder why we bother with elections again?

If you ever get busted in Hailey for pot, request a jury trial.

Hailey Idaho.....

leftist Geezers and Idiot Stoners....

A welfare state of Idiots and Commies.

If you ever get busted in Hailey for pot, request a jury trial.

Far out. That's a good idea, man.

Have a lot of hippies (or libertarians, or hippie libertarians) migrated to rural Idaho ?

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And that makes them wrong?

Have a lot of hippies (or libertarians, or hippie libertarians) migrated to rural Idaho ?

Actually it is a West thing generally. I saw a poll that asked questions about drug legalization geographically and what they found is that unlike the East Coast, South or Midwest, the majority of people in the Western states think drugs should be legalized/decriminalized, especially pot.

And that is also where the majority of libertarians live (Ron Paul got 24% in Idaho's primary).

That’s what I can’t believe. Forget that its about pot. The voters passed the initiative. The legislators ignore it. So they pass it again! I mean, I thought we were a government of the people. We have to vote twice on a measure, and it still probably won’t go through, even though it is the will of the people.

Better them than the white supremacist crowd.

You are going to label the whole state of Idaho as idiots and commies? The people I know there are hard working potato farmers. Maybe a few have seen farms taken away because someone dared to grow an unapproved plant and are waking up to this overstepping of government.

I guess these idiots and commies are voting for the government to back off, and the government refuses to listen to them. Who are the real commies here?

It’s a little more complicated than the story cares to detail. The only one of the three provisions that is really under the purview of the Hailey city government is the one on de-prioritizing enforcement of the hemp laws. The others really aren’t within the jurisdiction of the city and hence must be regarded as advisory only. It isn’t that the city government has been “ignoring” them, it’s that it isn’t empowered to do anything about them.

Insanity. A few years ago in California's Mendocino County, Measure "G" was passed which actually celebrated pot use, increased the number of plants that could be grown by individuals, and (as this Idaho initiative does) made enforcing pot laws the lowest LEO priority, right under jaw walking.

What is the result in one of the most liberal parts of the country?

The county has been virtually overrun by dope growers and drug dealers. They have moved there to run major pot growing operations, bringing their guns, vicious dogs, and environmental destruction with them. It's ironical that the liberal tree-huggers that dominate the county don't seem to care at all that the dope growers devastate the environment where they operate. If these were oil wells instead of pot farms you can bet your bottom dollar that every smelly freak in Northern California would be there and do everything in their power to "protect the environment", but since THEY are the ones doing the raping of the earth, it's all good.

Entire neighborhoods and rural areas are now rats nests filled with dope growers and drug dealers.

Finally, some people in this liberal county have had enough. Even plenty of the liberal politicians have had enough. "Measure B" is on the ballot for a vote next Tuesday, June 2nd. If passed, it would merely scrap the aforementioned "Measure G" and bring the county's laws in line with the rest of California. Oh, there will still be dopeheads and pot growers, but it will at least give LEO the green light to arrest and prosecute the worst offenders. As it is now, the DA's hands are tied and she's pretty much given up trying to prosecute cases against major pot growers. Her and about every LEO official is backing Measure B. The opponents of Measure B actually have the gall to use "Support Our Community" as a slogan in encouraging citizens to vote no on it. Support Our Community? Are you kidding me? Community of what? Dope growers and drug dealers, that's what. Hopefully, Mendocino County voters have had enough. The slogan for those in favor of Measure B is "Save Our County". That IS what is at stake.

It's extremely sad to see people in Idaho repeating this same scenario. One would think people in such a conservative state would have more common sense. I suspect, a few of those smelly hippies from California have made this community in Idaho their new home.

Good.

Since it isn't a power granted to the federal government, it is a state issue. And since the states don't fight the fed effectively for the right, it goes to the people.

Have a lot of hippies (or libertarians, or hippie libertarians) migrated to rural Idaho ?

Nah, just a pocket of people who still value the Constitution and individual liberty. Don't worry, they will be assimilated or crushed by statists momentarily.

Nah, just a pocket of people who still value the Constitution and individual liberty. Don't worry, they will be assimilated or crushed by statists momentarily.

Yeah, we can't really be called a "free" nation until everyone is "free" to grow, mancufacture, and sell pot, crack, meth..."

What? They’re disrespecting Federal law?

We aren’t a free nation when someone can be arrested for the mere possession of a plant, especially when the interstate commerce and necessary and proper clauses of the Constitution have been decimated specifically to prevent a free individual from growing a plant.

Yeah, we can't really be called a "free" nation until everyone is "free" to grow, mancufacture, and sell pot, crack, meth..."

If you say so. Are you comfortable saying we're still a constitutional republic when the federal government can assume control of any thing that could conceivably involve interstate commerce, no matter how peripherally?

Voters last November passed the same three initiatives, but city officials balked at recognizing them.

We once had the same problem in Arizona: the people would pass propositions, while the Legislature would selectively ignore propositions the powers-that-be didn't care for. Several of these did involve the drug war.

Then we passed a proposition making it illegal to ignore passed propositions.

I'm comfortable in telling you what has happened in one of the most liberal counties in the country. The most liberal pot laws in the nation were put into effect and the result has been as described. And now, the liberal residents of this hippie county are about to tell the dope growers to take a hike. At least, that's what I believe and hope will happen. As a social experiment in relaxing drug laws it has been a disaster in every way imaginable.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Not much on answering the question that was asked, are you?

My post was in response to the citizens passing these initiatives. I think they are liberal wackos (which they are). My post was not about the federal government, despite the efforts of you and others to make it so.

Once again, my post is about what an absolute disaster the most liberal pot laws in the country have been and even the liberals who passed the laws in the first place have had enough. But feel free to continue ignoring REALITY, as it is evidently an "inconvenient truth" for you.

Have a lot of hippies (or libertarians, or hippie libertarians) migrated to rural Idaho ?

Hailey is a pretty small town, but I'd hardly call it rural. It's 11 miles from Sun Valley, and is growing pretty fast as that area gets more expensive.

Once again, my post is about what an absolute disaster the most liberal pot laws in the country have been and even the liberals who passed the laws in the first place have had enough. But feel free to continue ignoring REALITY, as it is evidently an "inconvenient truth" for you.

Somewhere between that and John Walters telling us that even allowing the sale of industrial hemp fiber would be TEOTWAWKI is reason. That's the truth. Convenience is irrelevant.

Somewhere between that and John Walters telling us that even allowing the sale of industrial hemp fiber would be TEOTWAWKI is reason. That's the truth. Convenience is irrelevant.

Perhaps if I was stoned that would mean something. Once again, the most liberal pot laws in the country have been a DISASTER are hopefully about to be overturned, although it will only be a start.

Once again, the most liberal pot laws in the country have been a DISASTER are hopefully about to be overturned, although it will only be a start.

You keep right on telling yourself that's all that matters.

You keep right on telling yourself that's all that matters.

I'm sorry you utterly failed to make this about the federal government. The Hailey initiatives are in violation of STATE law. Another "inconvenient truth" you chose to ignore. Not that dopeheads let silly things like the LAW get in their way.

Would you be all twisted up about this if it was a local CCW initiative that was in conflict with state law?

Voters last November passed the same three initiatives, but city officials balked at recognizing them.

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The county has been virtually overrun by dope growers and drug dealers. They have moved there to run major pot growing operations, bringing their guns, vicious dogs, and environmental destruction with them.

...and those colored jazz musicians are having sex with our daughters.

Truth is these days, marijuana use already IS a low priority thing for LEO, at least in most major cities. Hardly anybody gets busted JUST for having some pot on them (personal use anyways).

I know a kid who was cought RED HANDED with a rather large stash of pot. He was taken into the police station, but was simply released to his parents (who promptly whooped his ass, at least, um, or so I heard)..

It’s a little more complicated than the story cares to detail. The only one of the three provisions that is really under the purview of the Hailey city government is the one on de-prioritizing enforcement of the hemp laws. The others really aren’t within the jurisdiction of the city and hence must be regarded as advisory only. It isn’t that the city government has been “ignoring” them, it’s that it isn’t empowered to do anything about them.

I can see that. On the other hand, when governments want to do something, they don't seem to let their lack of legal power/jurisdiction stop them. It seems that they only recognize the limits on their own power when we the people ask them to do something they don't want to do.

I’m simply stating the facts. I understand that REALITY is something very difficult for people to handle. Unfortunately, you won’t find it at the bottom of a bong.

Would you be all twisted up about this if it was a local CCW initiative that was in conflict with state law?

If they were handing guns and control of the county over to a criminal enterprise, you better believe I'd speak up.

If they were handing guns and control of the county over to a criminal enterprise, you better believe I'd speak up.

If they're in conflict with state law, wouldn't they automatically be a criminal enterprise?

If they're in conflict with state law, wouldn't they automatically be a criminal enterprise?

Might be. Especially if they were a drug cartel.

Might be. Especially if they were a drug cartel.

Is it about THE LAW, or is it about the drugs? If it is about the law, then there is no "might be". If they're in conflict with state law, they've broken the law and they're criminals - it doesn't matter if it about drugs or firearms.

Ok, then by your definition, they are a criminal enterprise and should not allowed to grow dope and sell drugs. Glad we agree.

Ok, then by your definition, they are a criminal enterprise and should not allowed to grow dope and sell drugs. Glad we agree.

That's not my definition - it's yours, I think. It's hard to tell. All there seems to be to the argument is a lot of emotional railing about "dope".

"If they're in conflict with state law, wouldn't they automatically be a criminal enterprise?"

Those were your words. Choking on them now?

You’re the one lecturing about “THE LAW”. Is it about the law, or is it about the dope? If it’s really about the law it shouldn’t matter if it’s dope or guns, “criminal enterprises” or average citizen - they’re all subject “THE LAW” equally, whether you agree with “THE LAW” or not.

I'm sorry the whole point of my original post is a reality that is very hard for you to accept. Evidently you wish that there were no laws against growing and selling dope and that the result would be one big utopia.

Here in the real world it hasn't worked out that way. Shocking, I know. Who knew that letting people grow and sell dope to their heart's content would be a problem? The liberals promised us what a "progressive" and wonderful thing it would be. Evidently, you want to align yourself with them. Go right ahead, but that doesn't alter or change REALITY. No matter how many bong hits you take. REALITY is that it has been a disaster for one of the most liberal counties, if not the most liberal county in the country. Ever heard of "Code Pink"? They are from this county. The REALITY of greatly relaxed pot laws is as I have already described, and now even the liberal politicians have had get behind the current measure because of the public outcry.

Now then, you can talk about "THE LAW", state laws, federal laws, etc. all you want as to try to divert attention from REALITY.

My original point still stands. It's been a disaster in this part of California and if the citizens of this town in Idaho do the same, they are asking for trouble.

Unless you have something new or interesting say, which hasn't happened yet, and can talk about my actual post and not what you want it to be, I think this conversation is about over.

Your "original post" amounts to a claiming that because a change in marijuana laws in one place was repealed, a different law in another place should not be passed - with out any attempt to compare the two. Whatever political philosophy it is your're peddling if you have to sell it on those terms, I'm pretty sure I'm better off without it.

We are indeed finished.

Your "original post" amounts to a claiming that because a change in marijuana laws in one place was repealed, a different law in another place should not be passed - with out any attempt to compare the two.

Not so fast, my friend. Here's part of what I wrote: "A few years ago in California's Mendocino County, Measure "G" was passed which actually celebrated pot use, increased the number of plants that could be grown by individuals, and (as this Idaho initiative does) made enforcing pot laws the lowest LEO priority, right under jaw walking."

That is a direct comparison. That was the whole point of the post, that the people of this Idaho community were trying to enact similar legislation that a very liberal county in California is now trying to overturn because the liberal dope laws have been a disaster.

Either you have intentionally ignored the contents of my post (repeatedly) on purpose because you just can not bring yourself to face reality, OR you have fried so many of your brain cells that you are no longer capable of basic reading comprehension.

Good day.

Is the Idaho legislation “celebrating pot use, and increasing the number of plants that can be grown by individuals”, or is the enforcement aspect the whole ball of wax?