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Nonmotorized boat fee debate continues (Idaho)
Idaho Statesman ^ | 6/17/2008 | Roger Phillips

Posted on 06/17/2008 10:58:01 AM PDT by Domandred

Boaters who use canoes, kayaks, drift boats and other nonmotorized craft could know in July if a fee will be proposed in next year's Legislature.

Gov. Butch Otter reconvened on Monday a group that is working to "develop a fair and equitable approach to funding the state's boating program." But the basic decision the group appears to be facing is whether to implement registration fees for nonmotorized boats.

Motorized boats and sailboats already pay registration fees and gas taxes, and their annual fee was raised Jan. 1 from a base of $13 to $20 for boats up to 12 feet, and $2 per foot over that.

It's unlikely the Legislature would pass back-to-back fee increases for motorized boat owners. "I suppose we'd take a look, but I'd have to have a real strong reason," said Sen. Lee Heinrich, R-Cascade.

Otter's special assistant, John Chatburn, is chairing the working group, which met on Monday in Boise. The group met for the first time last fall.

Chatburn asked members of the committee, which includes representatives from motorized and nonmotorized boating groups, as well as law enforcement, counties, outfitters and guides, legislators and other state agencies, to talk to their constituents and identify needs, such as facilities and maintenance, education and safety patrols. Then he asked them to estimate costs and determine how they should be funded.

The group plans to meet again in July, which will allow the governor's office time to review any proposals that include a fee increase that could affect the state's budget.

Any proposals to create a new fee would have to go through the Idaho Legislature.

(Excerpt) Read more at idahostatesman.com ...


TOPICS: US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: boattaxes; budget; govwatch; idaho; taxes
Can we expect registration and licensing fees for bicycles on roads next?
1 posted on 06/17/2008 10:58:06 AM PDT by Domandred
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To: Domandred
Tax this:


2 posted on 06/17/2008 11:02:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (McCain, my penultimate choice in the primary and only choice in the general)
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To: Domandred
Motorized boats and sailboats already pay registration fees and gas taxes

Aren't SAILboats non-motorized? Why should a canoe be tax exempt while a sailboat is taxed?

3 posted on 06/17/2008 11:04:08 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: Domandred

Surf boards, boogie boards, wind surfers are next.............


4 posted on 06/17/2008 11:04:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: Graybeard58

No non motorized boat should be licensed or taxed.. the right to use navigatable waterways is INALIENABLE as per the constitution. I don’t see how any registration or fee upon boaters using them can be constitutional.


5 posted on 06/17/2008 11:06:43 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: weegee

Why should anything be taxed? This is a better question. We are taxed on the income that we pay for these items. Then we pay a sales tax and for the priviledge of using them we are taxed.


6 posted on 06/17/2008 11:07:42 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: weegee
Aren't SAILboats non-motorized?

Not necessarily. If it's more than skiff-size, it's not uncommon for a sailboat to carry an auxiliary outboard in the event of becoming becalmed or so as to maneuver in the harbor.

Of course, some lazy canoeists will sometimes employ an electric trolling motor.

7 posted on 06/17/2008 11:08:02 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: weegee
Not sure but I think it is in the length and how it is transported on land. I don't think that smaller single person sails are taxed for example.

My pelican fishing kayak however is not taxed and I don't use ramps. I just pick it up and throw it into the water. I don't use docks either as I just tie it off to a tree or drag it out of the water onto land if I'm getting out for a long period of time.

8 posted on 06/17/2008 11:13:57 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

If it is like the 100+ year old tax on phones, it started as a “luxury” tax on the rich (100 years ago, who had phones?).


9 posted on 06/17/2008 11:17:12 AM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: okie01
Of course, some lazy canoeists will sometimes employ an electric trolling motor.

Pretty sure that soon as they do they have to register the boat. My little brother living in Utah has on of those inflatable pontoon boats that fold up into a pack. He was going to buy an electric trolling motor for it until he found out he would have to basically register his backpack as a motor boat.

10 posted on 06/17/2008 11:17:12 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Domandred
Row, row, row your boat
When you pay the fee ...
11 posted on 06/17/2008 11:17:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (I tried to explain that I meant it as a compliment, but that only appears to have made things worse.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

“Then we pay a sales tax and for the priviledge of using them we are taxed.”

Sometimes there is a cost to the taxpayers associated with boating. I know the lake near me has to be “de-weeded” at great cost every year so the motorboats can navigate freely. Also, a damn is maintained to keep the lake at a certain level. As a taxpayer, I don’t think these costs should be passed along to me if I don’t use the lake for recreation.


12 posted on 06/17/2008 11:24:21 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: Londo Molari

“Also, a damn is maintained ...”

Ooops — damn = dam.

I was thinking of democrats when I typed that word.


13 posted on 06/17/2008 11:25:57 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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To: NonValueAdded

merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
oh how screwed are we.


14 posted on 06/17/2008 11:27:13 AM PDT by palmer (Tag lines are an extra $1)
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To: Graybeard58

For heaven’s sake, don’t give them ideas!


15 posted on 06/17/2008 11:31:32 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Londo Molari
a damn is maintained to keep the lake at a certain level

Would damn be for the Biblical "lake of fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels"?

16 posted on 06/17/2008 11:40:20 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: okie01
Of course, some lazy canoeists will sometimes employ an electric trolling motor.

At which point, in Michigan anyway, the canoe is required to be registered. DNR love to give out tickets to motorized canoes on the Au Sable river.

17 posted on 06/17/2008 11:42:13 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Domandred
Why not — and why not adopt something like the Canadian “footwear licensing fee” while you're at it. The fees we pay for our footwear go toward the construction, and maintenance of sidewalks everywhere. Fortunately, the license is transferable, in the event that your shoes wear out during the licensing period. Amputees used to get the license for half price — until crutch tips were deemed to be “footwear” for the purposes of the licensing. The licensing fee applies equally to roller-blades, and roller skates. Ice skates are exempt — except where used on frozen ponds, rivers, and canals. Skateboards require the same license as bicycles.

Just kidding. (Or am I?)

18 posted on 06/17/2008 11:49:20 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Graybeard58
Let's see, the dog is likely already taxed. There is no direct kid tax, yet. Also there should be a sidewalk users fee, it's only fare (intentional pun) after all!!!!
19 posted on 06/17/2008 12:13:14 PM PDT by JimSEA (Kaffur and proud of it.)
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To: HamiltonJay

>the right to use navigatable waterways is INALIENABLE as per the constitution.<

My canoe never saw the Missippi nor the ocean. Small lakes and lots of ponds for fishing was where I went. Need I mention that I had to register it every year.


20 posted on 06/17/2008 12:50:33 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: weegee

Aren't SAILboats non-motorized? Why should a canoe be tax exempt while a sailboat is taxed?

Check with the money grubbing jerks at TPWD. In Texas, sailboats less than 14ft, punts, canoes, and rowboats do not require registration. Anything larger....well, watch your wallet.

I guess the funds are to repair the potholes we put in their precious waterways because TPWD sure hasn't used it to fix the cabana's on Mustang Island.

21 posted on 06/17/2008 1:24:15 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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