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Proposed license plate states 'Hispanics discovered Florida'
Orlando Sentinel ^ | June 26, 2008 | Victor Manuel Ramos

Posted on 06/27/2008 6:21:02 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

Honk if you love Hispanics.

A license plate that touts "Hispanics Discovered Florida" may soon join the 109 specialty tags drivers can choose from.

The idea to celebrate the contributions of Hispanics came from National Hispanic Corporate Achievers, a Longwood group that sponsors minority job fairs. The plate would become a fundraising tool to support job and mentorship programs.

Danny Ramos, the group's president, said the tag's message is about cultural pride for Florida's 3.6 million Hispanics -- even if not all of Latin American or Spanish descent identify with the term.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: aliens; culture; government; hispanics; history; immigration; licenseplate; multicultualism; newworld
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1 posted on 06/27/2008 6:21:02 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

That’s wrong. The Spanish discovered Florida.


2 posted on 06/27/2008 6:22:20 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Altura Ct.

The Seminoles (and others) may have some disagreement with that statement.


3 posted on 06/27/2008 6:22:21 AM PDT by keithtoo (The GOP has McCain, the Democrats have B.O.)
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To: keithtoo

Hmmm, I didn’t know that Spaniards were hispanic.


4 posted on 06/27/2008 6:23:31 AM PDT by Be_Politically_Erect (If I didn't think he'd get emotionally attached to it, I'd tell O-bigears to kiss my A** !)
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To: Altura Ct.

Hmmm..can they get a license plate that says the “The White Man Made Florida”?


5 posted on 06/27/2008 6:26:04 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Just a bitter South Carolinian clinging to my religion and guns.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Should read: “Hispanics Drugged Florida”


6 posted on 06/27/2008 6:26:15 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: Altura Ct.

The entire country is taking on the social qualities of the recreation yard at San Quentin thanks to our minority populations.


7 posted on 06/27/2008 6:28:18 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Altura Ct.

Press 2 for English.


8 posted on 06/27/2008 6:29:31 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Altura Ct.

“Hispanics” didn’t even exist then. Spaniards discovered and settled Florida. Spaniards are...hang on to your hats...Europeans!!


9 posted on 06/27/2008 6:29:38 AM PDT by livius
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Ahem:
I guess they would never post on their vehicles...

“I Love Being American!”

If they live here legally and documented - they are Americans.

If they want to stay Hispanic fine - but that appelation belongs to a varied national group -

Give it up with this making inconsequential noise and division among the people of the USA.

Our ancestors were all from other places and take up “who discovered this nation” with the Asians of long long ago!


10 posted on 06/27/2008 6:29:38 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: Altura Ct.
Really,
Some of my ancestors would disagree. The Acuera, Aguacaleyquen, Amacapiras, Creeks, Muskogee, Pensacola, Seminole, Tawasa, and many, many others where there a millennia before the Spanish ‘discovered’ it.
11 posted on 06/27/2008 6:31:27 AM PDT by mnehrling
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To: Altura Ct.

The Florida legislature voted down and “I Believe” personal plate for Christians because they were afraid folks might be offended and it would link the state with religion.So if they ok this plate, I shall be offended. Spain discovered florida not “hispanics”


12 posted on 06/27/2008 6:32:52 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Altura Ct.

How about “The Indians Discovered Florida”?.............


13 posted on 06/27/2008 6:33:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: Altura Ct.

New Yorkers Ruined Florida.


14 posted on 06/27/2008 6:33:18 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace is Not The Question.)
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To: livius

“Europeans Discovered Florida”


15 posted on 06/27/2008 6:34:02 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: mnehrling

Seminoles? Discovered Florida?..............

The Seminole nation came into existence in the 18th century and was composed of Native Americans from Georgia, Mississippi, and Alabama, most significantly the Creek Nation, as well as African Americans who escaped from slavery in South Carolina and Georgia.


16 posted on 06/27/2008 6:36:04 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: HIDEK6

Exactly. Spanish are white europeans not hispanic. Seminoles and other indians are not hispanic. If the license tag said whites discovered fl it would be racism and unacceptable.


17 posted on 06/27/2008 6:36:33 AM PDT by omega4179 ("you can't drill your way out of this" VERO POSSUMUS!)
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To: Altura Ct.
Danny Ramos, the group's president, said the tag's message is about cultural pride for Florida's 3.6 million Hispanics

They need to make one that says "Europeans Discovered Florida" too so the state's European American residents can share in that European cultural pride.

18 posted on 06/27/2008 6:36:39 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: keithtoo

Correct. Native Americans have been there a long time.

Wonder if they can sue for civil rights violations?


19 posted on 06/27/2008 6:38:10 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: keithtoo
The Seminoles (and others) may have some disagreement with that statement.

"what you mean, you discover us ... we discover you, right here on beach!"

--- Stan Freeburg's History of America, Part 1

20 posted on 06/27/2008 6:38:25 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: Be_Politically_Erect

Must be so the plate has a fly on it (national bird).


21 posted on 06/27/2008 6:41:01 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: normy
What is wrong with a vanity plate stating “White Power”, or “Honkey’s Rule”? Don't you just love this failed experiment with multiculturalism. The US is no longer a melting pot.
22 posted on 06/27/2008 6:41:06 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Be_Politically_Erect
I didn't know that Spaniards were hispanic.

Hispanic can refer to those from Latin American but another definition is someone who speaks Spanish or is Continental Spanish. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hispanic

23 posted on 06/27/2008 6:42:44 AM PDT by mnehrling
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To: Altura Ct.

Celebrate “this”.


24 posted on 06/27/2008 6:43:01 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: HIDEK6

thank you!!!


25 posted on 06/27/2008 6:44:42 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: gathersnomoss
Well the Dems don't want it to be unless we melt under the banner of Communism, but if you look closely I think we still are, no matter how bad the Dems are trying.
26 posted on 06/27/2008 6:44:46 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Altura Ct.

The Spaniard wannabes should go to Jacksonville/Mayport and visit Ft Caroline.

Ft Caroline is the site of a French settlement that predates all of the spanish settlements in Florida. It is very well documented and includes a replica of a stone pillar erected by Adm Ribault in about 1562.


27 posted on 06/27/2008 6:46:36 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: Altura Ct.

i have lived my whole life in florida and just want to say that i am appalled.


28 posted on 06/27/2008 6:47:15 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Altura Ct.
I have heard rumors that Columbus was really Jewish.

Anyway the Spanish who discovered Florida were not Mestizo like virtually everyone in Mexico.

Now some Cubans really are Spanish.

29 posted on 06/27/2008 6:47:29 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Red Badger

You are right, I was trying to think of all of the tribes Native to Florida and didn’t remember that.


30 posted on 06/27/2008 6:48:03 AM PDT by mnehrling
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To: livius

You are not precisely correct....

See my post 27


31 posted on 06/27/2008 6:48:36 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: Altura Ct.

There is a poll at the end of the article: “Do you support Hispanic plate?”

It doesn’t look like it has to be Freeped (but it wouldn’t hurt) as the present score is: 83.8% NO, 14.1% YES

And, the usual suck-ups at work: “It also has the support of state Sen. Gary Siplin, a Democrat in a district with many Hispanic residents.”


32 posted on 06/27/2008 6:55:31 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: HIDEK6

Well, if the guy promoting this is speaking for people from what the Romans call Hispania, he might have a point. Or, does he mean people from the island of Hispanola? Hmmm.


33 posted on 06/27/2008 6:55:37 AM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: Altura Ct.; HIDEK6
Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

"At Windover, more ancient human remains were discovered than the total of all others found previously in the New World, and they were the oldest."

34 posted on 06/27/2008 7:03:45 AM PDT by blam
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To: mnehrling

It’s really ironic that the Florida State University has the Seminoles as their mascot, isn’t it?..................LOL!!! GO GATORS!!!...................


35 posted on 06/27/2008 7:10:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: tatsinfla
i have lived my whole life in florida and just want to say that i am appalled.

I have been here since '69, and I am, too. But not surprised............

36 posted on 06/27/2008 7:11:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: bert

The Spanish had made several settlement attempts prior to that. The first Spanish landing was in 1513 on the Atlantic Coast of Florida, but the settlement attempts were on the Gulf Coast.

The Spanish had explored as far up as the Hudson and had attempted settlements in the Carolinas, but primarily because of Indian hostility, none of them lasted.

The French wanted to establish an outpost to attack the Spanish treasure fleet (which at that point came in fairly close to the shore before angling north east across the Atlantic) and decided to build a fort and settlement at what is now Jacksonville. The French king used the Huguenots, who hated the Spanish because they were Catholics and as pirates and privateers had preyed on Spanish ships and even Spanish coastal villages for some time in Europe. Their leader, Ribault, was already famous in the Atlantic as a pirate.

When the Spanish heard of this, they decided to focus on the Atlantic Coast again, and sent an expedition led by Menendez de Aviles, who was the admiral who had been responsible for protecting the Spanish coast from the Huguenots. Just as the Spanish had been driven out by the Indians from other earlier settlements, the French were driven out from this settlement by the Spanish. So the French settlement therefore was not a permanent settlement; the first European settlements of any kind were Spanish settlements, and the first permanent one (that is, one that lasted) was the Spanish settlement of St. Augustine.


37 posted on 06/27/2008 7:12:14 AM PDT by livius
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To: HIDEK6
Right you are.

Words only have meaning to literates.

38 posted on 06/27/2008 7:12:39 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: livius

“Spaniards are...hang on to your hats...Europeans!!”

And considered white, too!


39 posted on 06/27/2008 7:12:46 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: gathersnomoss

“The US is no longer a melting pot.”

As Paul Harvey said, “It has become a pressure cooker.”


40 posted on 06/27/2008 7:13:54 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Binghamton_native

Previous to Romans, the Phoenicians and others called it Tarshish..........


41 posted on 06/27/2008 7:15:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: Be_Politically_Erect

Neither did they.


42 posted on 06/27/2008 7:15:22 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Eurale

I bet it was the Diaz brothers.


43 posted on 06/27/2008 7:15:48 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: livius
They also discovered syphilis but I'm not sure I'd put it on my license plate.  And unless I'm mistaken Spaniards are Hispanic. People confuse it with Latino/Latina, though the differences are rapidly disappearing.  Hispanic identifies anyone whose ancestry traces back to the Iberian peninsula, while Latina relates to the subset in the Western hemisphere. 
44 posted on 06/27/2008 7:17:38 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: Altura Ct.
"I Vote In 2 States"
45 posted on 06/27/2008 7:27:05 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: HawaiianGecko
And unless I'm mistaken Spaniards are Hispanic.

I blame the Romans, what with all their "Hispanic, Hispanaec, Hispanoc".

¿Todo a la derecha, pero aparte de el saneamiento, la medicina, educación, vino, orden público, irrigación, caminos, un circuito de agua fresco, y salud pública, qué los Romanos han hecho nunca para nosotros?

46 posted on 06/27/2008 7:34:02 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Red Badger
If I remember correctly, the proto-Seminoles got into Florida as allies of the English who attacked the Indian/Spanish Florida mission towns. They proceeded to annihilate those peoples whose remnants were evacuated to Spanish held Caribbean islands. I wonder how many of the Indians currently there are from tribes there before the 18th century.
47 posted on 06/27/2008 7:38:28 AM PDT by Varda
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To: bert

“Ft Caroline is the site of a French settlement that predates all of the spanish settlements in Florida.” I think Spanish Pensacola was there first.


48 posted on 06/27/2008 7:39:51 AM PDT by Dick Holmes
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To: Varda

“I wonder how many of the Indians currently there are from tribes there before the 18th century.”

Probably very, very few...........:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Wars


49 posted on 06/27/2008 7:41:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: HIDEK6
"Hispanics Discovered Florida"

That’s wrong. The Spanish discovered Florida.

No, actually, that's right. Everything else that the tags imply is wrong.

What do Hispania and Britannia have in common?

They were both the names of Roman provinces with "Hispania" referring to what is now the entire Iberian peninsula and Britannia referring to what is now England and Wales.

Throughout the entire course of European History since the Roman Legions arrived in the Iberian peninsula in 218 BC during the Second Punic War, "Hispania" has been synonimous with "Iberia".

In Central and South America itself, the term "Hispano" is reserved for those things that relate directly to Spain.

Only in the U.S., in the past 30 years or so, has European History been turned upside down so that "Hispanic" is now used as a Politically Correct codeword to mean a mestizo of Aztec, Mayan or other Amerindian descent.

The Mexican mestizos themselves have absolutely no problem with calling a mestizo a mestizo and, in fact, that is what "La Raza" ("The Race") refers to: the "Mestizo Race".

Why is it that, in the U.S., the term "mestizo" must never be used?

Mestizos never discovered Florida for Western Civilization but the subjects of the "Hispaniarum Rex" sure did.


50 posted on 06/27/2008 7:44:28 AM PDT by Polybius
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