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Obama's Toothless Second Amendment
Reason ^ | 2 July 2008 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 07/02/2008 7:00:17 AM PDT by RKV

"What works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne," Barack Obama said after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the Washington, D.C., gun ban. The Illinois senator was talking about gun control laws, but he could just as well have been talking about his interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Although the amendment protects an individual right to arms, Obama says, it permits "common-sense" gun control, a category that for him seems to include every existing restriction on the possession and use of firearms. That view not only does not fly in Cheyenne (and in many other places where presidential candidates aspire to win votes); it was decisively rejected by the Supreme Court.

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," Obama said after the ruling was announced, "but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view."

Not quite. The Court concluded that the D.C. gun law, which "bans handgun possession in the home" and "requires that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock at all times, rendering it inoperable," violates the Second Amendment because it effectively prohibits keeping guns for self-defense.

Last November, by contrast, Obama's campaign told the Chicago Tribune "Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional." The candidate was so upset about that misrepresentation of his views that he sought to correct it—seven months later. A few hours before the Supreme Court pronounced the D.C. gun ban unconstitutional, an Obama spokesman told ABC News his campaign's November statement to the contrary "was obviously an inartful attempt to explain the senator's consistent position."

That belated blurification was an inartful attempt to avoid explaining the senator's consistent position, which he has repeatedly confirmed. In a February 12 interview, Leon Harris of WJLA, the ABC affiliate in Washington, said to Obama, "You support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional." Obama nodded, saying, "Right, right." Three days later, at a press conference in Milwaukee, Obama cited the D.C. law as an example of gun control that's consistent with the Second Amendment.

Obama's view is similar to that of Justice Stephen Breyer, who dissented from the Supreme Court's decision. Even if the Second Amendment protects an individual right to armed self-defense, Breyer said, that right has to be weighed against "other important governmental interests." And since a gun law like D.C.'s might reduce violent crime (never mind the lack of evidence that it actually has), the courts should yield to legislators' judgments about how best to strike the balance.

Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia replied: "We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding 'interest-balancing' approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government...the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges' assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all."

This decision does not bode well for Chicago's handgun ban, which was challenged in federal court the day after the Supreme Court's ruling. Since the Court held that D.C. violated the Second Amendment by banning the sort of gun most people prefer for home defense, the only real question in the Chicago case is whether the amendment applies to state and local governments as well as federal domains such as the District of Columbia.

It seems likely that the right to arms—which, Scalia emphasized, stems from the basic right of self-preservation—will be added to the list of civil liberties that the 14th Amendment compels states and municipalities to respect. If so, Obama's vision of a toothless Second Amendment will not prevail for much longer even in Chicago.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; elections; heller; nobama08; obama; obamatruthfile; rkba; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
So, Hussein, the Constitution doesn't mean the same thing in DC as it does in Cheyenne? You sure wouldn't say that about some other constitutional guarantees, ya hypocrite! How's about saying, for instance, that black people can't vote in Atlanta, and they can in Chicago, just for the sake of "local control?" BS
1 posted on 07/02/2008 7:00:18 AM PDT by RKV
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To: RKV
Obammy suggested gun shops be kept at least five miles from any school. Cheyenne, WY would be about the only place in America that would be allowed...
2 posted on 07/02/2008 7:05:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: RKV; All

Barak Obama: The Candidate of Clarification


3 posted on 07/02/2008 7:05:32 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Barak Obama: The Candidate of Clarification)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

How bout we require all Democratic Party institutions be located more than 50 miles from any school?


4 posted on 07/02/2008 7:07:01 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

ooo, a paradox!

public schools ARE “Democrat Party institutions”.


5 posted on 07/02/2008 7:09:05 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Got me!


6 posted on 07/02/2008 7:11:48 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
What works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne,

Oh, you mean like corrupt politicians and backroom deals? Is that what you mean, Obama?

7 posted on 07/02/2008 7:13:32 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: RKV

“What works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne.”

Mr. Obama, in case you didn’t know, gun control doesn’t work in Chicago. In fact it doesn’t work anywhere. Stop meddling with the Constitution.


8 posted on 07/02/2008 7:14:27 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: RKV

“What works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne,”

Yeah, nobody gets shot in Chicago anymore.


9 posted on 07/02/2008 7:33:20 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: RKV

Speaking about original intent it will be very difficult for the gun-grabbers to try to tell me the founding fathers wanted all firearms located in one spot locked away from their owners. That is their twisted view on what they think militia meant to the ffs. Any government official at that time espousing such a view would have been vilified and probably ejected from office. But of course this is the lib dream. If they can make it illegal to own a handgun, they can make it illegal to own any type of firearm including sporting weapons. That was their big hope, and now it’s been dashed.


10 posted on 07/02/2008 7:34:43 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: RKV

Speaking about original intent it will be very difficult for the gun-grabbers to try to tell me the founding fathers wanted all firearms located in one spot locked away from their owners. That is their twisted view on what they think militia meant to the ffs. Any government official at that time espousing such a view would have been vilified and probably ejected from office. But of course this is the lib dream. If they can make it illegal to own a handgun, they can make it illegal to own any type of firearm including sporting weapons. That was their big hope, and now it’s been dashed.


11 posted on 07/02/2008 7:34:48 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: RKV

Obaaaama! The candidate for all the sheeple.


12 posted on 07/02/2008 7:37:30 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and pick up a gun.)
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To: RKV
"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," Obama said after the ruling was announced ...

This is the new Oblama double lie, which we've seen created by Howard Dean and now perfected. Whenever Oblama has to switch tack, he starts with these four words: I have always believed...

First, it is a lie he believes that way today, but secondly (and rarely reported properly), it's a lie that he always believed that way. He just denies he ever said anything to the contrary...even Clinton was rough at this kind of prevarication.

With the help of the drive-bys that are in the tank for him, he's a one-man history eraser. I hate to say it, but Clinton was a piker when it came to this kind of weaseling.

13 posted on 07/02/2008 7:45:14 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: coloradan

That is EXACTLY what works in Chicago. Political influence instead of equal justice under the law. May issue CCW for instance is just a spoils system for sheriffs to collect money from citizens to exercise their rights!


14 posted on 07/02/2008 7:50:00 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

“Even if the Second Amendment protects an individual right to armed self-defense, Breyer said, that right has to be weighed against “other important governmental interests.”

I would suspect that NOT publishing certain government intelligence activities would be “other important governmental interests”. So according to Justice Breyer, wouldn’t a local, state, or federal government have the ability ( I cant say “RIGHT”) to pass laws that would invoke prior restraint on the MSM? I wonder what Justice Breyer’s opinion would be then?


15 posted on 07/02/2008 7:51:26 AM PDT by rustyboots
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To: RKV
What works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne

Apparently my definition of "works" is different than nObama's.

16 posted on 07/02/2008 8:56:10 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: rustyboots

How right you are. Scalia and co. are pretty crafty. Reading the opinion (for the 4th time) I am convinced we can do VERY well with what we have won, if we are willing to continue litigation.


17 posted on 07/02/2008 9:04:30 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

“People get the government they deserve.” Joseph deMaistre.

And when people become THIS freaking STUPID and inattentive to their freedoms, THIS is the candidate they deserve.

1 minute satirical Obama video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR6b-kWncI4

Hurry before some diversity loving (RIGHT!) Obamaniac at YouTube pulls it.


18 posted on 07/02/2008 9:08:49 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: RKV

bookmarked


19 posted on 07/02/2008 9:30:51 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Cyber Liberty
First, it is a lie he believes that way today, but secondly (and rarely reported properly), it's a lie that he always believed that way. He just denies he ever said anything to the contrary...even Clinton was rough at this kind of prevarication.

To the contrary, I think Obama is being truthful, in a significant sense. He does believe that the Second Amendment was written to protect the individual right to keep and bear arms. In fact, he even knows why it was written--to allow citizens to protect themselves against him and his minions. That's why he needs to disarm the citizenry--because he knows that otherwise they would revolt against him.

20 posted on 07/03/2008 9:23:26 PM PDT by supercat
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