Q: How can we tell if Obama is lying to us?
A: His lips are moving.
Posted on 07/04/2008 12:52:58 PM PDT by jern
Is his campaign dishonest or disorganized? Obama's flip-flopping June
There's nothing wrong with a politician changing his mind. They all do it, and constancy in the face of error can be as harmful as flip-flopping.
Yet the month of June saw Barack Obama abandoning positions at a clip so brisk it should give even his most stalwart supporters pause.
In the wake of last week's Supreme Court ruling overturning Washington's handgun ban, for instance, the Obama campaign disavowed a 2007 statement it had made about the constitutionality of gun laws as "inartful."
After claiming in May that he would debate John McCain "anytime, any place," Obama declined to participate in a series of 10 town hall-style meetings, which the McCain campaign proposed.
Early in the month, it became clear that the head of Obama's VP search committee, Jim Johnson, was compromised by his ties to the subprime lender Countrywide. Obama called the story "overblown and irrelevant." Two days later Johnson was cashiered.
Of course that's all just campaign mechanics. But Obama has been reversing himself on policy, too.
In October, the Obama campaign promised that the senator would support a filibuster of any FISA bill that would grant retroactive immunity for telecom companies who helped the government with wiretapping. Last week, Obama announced that he would not filibuster the new FISA bill (which contains wiretapping immunity), and that instead he planned to vote for it.
At a dinner of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the pro-Israel lobby, Obama promised that "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." Later, an Obama adviser clarified that Obama did not mean that Jerusalem should be literally "not divided."
Here's the campaign's confusing explanation: "So [Obama] used a word to represent what he did not want to see again, and then realized afterwards that that word is a code word in the Middle East." It remains unclear what situation Obama sees as preferable for Israel's capital.
Equally unclear is how Obama assesses the nature of Iran's threat to America.
In 2004 he said that Iran was more dangerous than the Soviet Union had been because the radicals in Tehran could not be deterred by traditional strategic means. In late May, he changed his mind, saying that Iran doesn't "pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us." Faced with criticism, Obama then pivoted again, declaring Iran to be a "grave threat" to America.
Mind you, this list of reversals excludes Obama's abandonment of his public financing pledge. It also excludes the more troubling missteps Obama committed last month.
For instance, Obama argued that America's existing legal system is adequate for dealing with terrorists. In the first attack against the World Trade Center, he said "we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated." Which isn't quite right: one of the terrorists involved in that attack, Abdul Rahman Yasin, fled afterwards to Iraq where he worked openly with Saddam Hussein's regime.
In a TV ad he debuted last month, Obama boasted of having "extended health care for wounded troops who had been neglected." The law to which he was referring is the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act, which passed the Senate 91 to 3. Obama was one of six senators not present to vote for it.
Finally, there is the strange case of Obama's phone call with Iraqi foreign minister Hoshay Zebari. After their discussion, Obama told reporters that Zebari never mentioned the candidate's plan to withdraw American troops from Iraq. Zebari told a very different story: "My message [to Obama] . . . was very clear. . . . Really, we are making progress. I hope any actions you will take will not endanger this progress." Zebari reported that Obama assured him he would "not take any irresponsible, reckless, sudden decisions or action to endanger your gains, your achievements, your stability or security." It's hard to square the differing accounts.
Obama's very bad June suggests two possibilities: He may be one of the more unprincipled politicians we've seen recently - remember, Obama once mocked the Clintons for their prevarications, saying "They don't tell you what they mean." Or perhaps his mistakes are honest - which would make the Obama campaign one of the more intellectually disorganized enterprises in recent presidential history.
It's unclear which prospect is greater cause for concern.
hussein obama is lying his way to the center so he can further his master’s socialist agenda as president. He’ll say whatever soros tells him to.
I’m going to guess...dishonest with a touch of incompetence due to inexperience.
Obama sailed through primaries without being put through the ringer by the media. He has never been seriously challenged by a serious opponent.
He is accustomed to people simply accepting his words with praise and adulation.
Now he is in “sink or swim” mode.
For the first time he has to undergo scrutiny and justify his positions.
Not everyone is falling over at his every word.
It has to be quite a rude awakening for him.
Yes.
Both.
The two conditions are not mutually exclusive.
Why not lie. Hillary is out and he doesn’t have to answer to her or her people. He just has to lie enough to get their vote.......and Soros vote.
This lying, phony piece of garbage must never be allowed within a mile of the Oval Office.
They are very organized, so by process of elimination, that leaves dishonest. Mix in a little inexperience, as a previous poster mentioned, and there you have it.
Also, they are in a tough spot because he had to stay out in the far left for an extra long primary season and had to lay out too much agenda to get get the nomination. Now, they literally have 2 months to re-write the narrative ofhis entire life’s work.
His agenda pre-June 2008 matches his entire legislative career, so clearly the move to the center in recent weeks is dishonest.
Q: How can we tell if Obama is lying to us?
A: His lips are moving.
Yes.
Easy question, Obama is a lying sack of sh** who will say anything get a vote and thinks voters are so stupid they can’t remember what he said from one day to the next. Next question.
Dishonest.
Next question.
wow, this is from a philly news source. that is a surprise.
Obama’s hair is suddenly turning grey.
Another con? Gotta show experience don’t ya know. ha
dishonest in the extreme.
Barry Hussein is a totally unprincipled liar, willing to say or do anything to win the election. He knows that the media will back and protect him, regardless of what he might say or do. Therefore, unless Rush, Savage or the web expose his daily lies, he’ll slide through the next months with a minimum of trouble. Only McCain can expose Obama on a truly national basis. But Juan is too stupid and too afraid to do so.
(Philly News: Is Obama’s campaign dishonest or disorganized?)
Its a Democrat Political Campaign. DUH, it has to be dishonest!
Obama’s newly redefined position on the Iraq War seems to be: “End it, don’t win it.”
Not entirely untrue…
YOU GUESSED IT...
Hillary!
Why is there the widespread opinion that the Democratic Convention will actually nominate him and that there is no actual possibility of their not doing so? Am I just so naive as to think it’s possible?
Only if one is a liberal or one of the many people who don’t give a sh** about politics but vote anyway. The founders definitely should have provided for a test for people to qualify as voters.
Hillary has the majority of the primary votes, and she hasn't released her delegates.
If a few super-delegates flip, she wins the Dems' 2008 nomination in Denver at the Convention.
Dishonest or disorganized? Yes and yes. When he has to hold two press conferences in one day, the second one to disavow what he said in the first, he’s both dishonest and disorganized.
Now we can add his newly found opposition to late term abortions to the list.
What the Hell kind of question is that in the headline?
It is anything but “disorganized”. It’s a brilliant PR campaign run by well paid professionals. They’re worth every penny they are paid.
Dishonest? Oh, yeah! Obama is an America hating Marxist.
Good luck trying to convince people otherwise. They may be disinterested in politics but they are not stupid. He doesn’t stand a chance in the general election. And it has nothing to do with the hue of his epidermis.
Six months ago I would have laughed at a notion like that, but now? Who knows? If by August they Dem leadership sees he is TOTALLY unelectable, I can’t imagine them not doing something..ANYTHING. WOW..what a year!
Speaking as a conservative democrat, this is like being in a car with a whole bunch of people. You are in the passenger’s seat and the people in the back think you are too much of a take charge type so you are sensitive to it. Behind the wheel is a guy who just can’t drive and now he’s had eight beers. You know you are veering off the road and headed for a telephone pole but you also know if you try to grab the wheel and right the situation, everyone in the back is gonna call you an overbearing a**hole. Given all of that, you are sitting in the car getting tenser and tenser and wishing you were somewhere far far away. How did we get here? Where are the adults to grab the wheel and restore some order?
And when people become THIS freaking STUPID and inattentive to their freedoms, THIS is the candidate they deserve.
1 minute satirical Obama video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR6b-kWncI4
Hurry before some diversity loving (RIGHT!) Obamaniac at YouTube pulls it.
And when people become THIS freaking STUPID and inattentive to their freedoms, THIS is the candidate they deserve.
1 minute satirical Obama video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR6b-kWncI4
Hurry before some diversity loving (RIGHT!) Obamaniac at YouTube pulls it.
It’s a start but unfortunately not enough so called “news” outlets are questioning his changes in position and many are flat out ignoring them.
The favorable loan he got is just one example of this. I was on a very liberal site that was doing nothing but making noise & excuses for him and when I asked if this same loan were in the name of George W. Bush or John McCain, if it would also be excusable, there was complete and total silence.
I am coming around to your point of view, calex59.
The time for the ignorant and those on the public dole to have the “right” to vote might be past. If people really want the right to vote, they should be able to prove that they understand our Constitution and Bill or Rights, gainfully employed, and paying taxes.
SAHM wives of men who are gainfully employed need to prove that they are also literate in the above, and that they are actually married to a gainfully employed husband.
But, you and I know we are just pissing up a rope, which is easier for you than for me!
Afraid too late. He has the brain dead Americans locked in. After all, isn't he Deity?
Well I would gather from that statement you are a woman and if so yes it would be easier for me! However, we must keep trying to get the liberals out of office, we are making gains lately but we must keep it up. Obama must be defeated at all cost, that idiot McCain had better step up his campaign against the guy because we all know nice guys finish last.
Go to bed you cute little annoying Obamabot.
A President of the United States does not have this puerile luxury.
The President is, yes, Protector, of the some 300 million persons in the nation.
Do you want to put your life and that of your loved ones, not to mention the country that gave you protection and sustenance, in the hands of an individual entirely unqualified in both experience and morals...?
Freud said there is a death wish. But healthy persons go against this. As did our ancestors...
That is why we gained life...
The founders definitely should have provided for a test for people to qualify as voters.
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They did!
Yes.
I know people who will vote for Hussein instead of McCain no matter what he says or does. He wants change, he's liberal, and the first black candidate!
Lets hope McCain will start to give him some more serious competition.
Don't hold your breath. . . . . . .
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