Posted on 07/04/2008 3:29:39 PM PDT by Red Steel
This is an issue that isn't going away for the Obama campaign and unless they address it in an effort to put it to bed, it will become one of those "distractions" the candidate really hates:
A few weeks ago, a diary entry at Daily Kos published several documents purporting to be Obama's birth certificate. One of those documents is now a confirmed forgery, ferreted out by the website Israeli Insider:
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the diligent detective work of independent investigative journalists (led by JimJ and Texas Darling) and imaging professionals such as Polarik in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate The Daily Kos, a "progressive" blog site, and the Obama campaign's "Fight the Smears" website, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance. Moreover, the blog and the campaign have been negligent in allowing the promotion of obviously forged and fake official documents together with the purported image of Obama's birth certificate.
Read the entire story of how the forgery was discovered.
Two things: First, the Obama campaign should have known the document was a forgery because ostensibly, they have the original. If they did know, suspicion of why they allowed the fake to stay out there without debunking it themselves leads us to the question of "why?"
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Thus, it continues...
The forgery went out to a place that was ever so distant from the Obama campaign. Plausible Deniability.
Don’t worry. Just before the election they will have someone file suit claiming John McCain was born in a foreign country to counteract the lack of citizenship of Obama.
And they will trump it with the films of McCain made after he was tortured.
Child born in wedlock to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-U.S. Citizen parent between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986: A child born outside of the United States to one U.S. Citizen parent and one non-U.S. Citizen parent, may be entitled to citizenship providing the U.S. Citizen parent had, prior to the birth of the child, been physically present in the United States for a period of ten years, at least five years of which were after s/he reached the age of fourteen.
http://guangzhou.usembassy-china.org.cn/new_baby/birth_registration.html
ping.
Your reference has “one year”.
This might well have been planned to go down like it is.
That may happen anyway. Wasn't John McCain born in the Republic of Panama when his father was stationed there with the U.S. Navy?
Why would ANYBODY put out a faked birth “certificate”?
Knowing the techniques available, some very good plausible fakes COULD be produced, but mostly, only for purposes of establishing an identity, for purposes of fraud of some kind. This is not counterfeiting money, birth certificates COULD be prepared that are VERY difficult to differentiate between real and forgeries.
Unless the “forgery” was SUPPOSED to be identified. This is an excellent way to thoroughly muddy the motives of the propagation of the deceit, and claim later that some “outsider” had done this as a prank, not any way a serious attempt at a coverup or diversion from inquiry. Thus the REAL forgery could be presented, and its authenticity would less likely be questioned.
is it possible this guy managed to get into the IL state bar, and later the state senate, by originally floating a fake birth certificate, and even managed to get past the vetting process the DNC had when they chose to elevate him in 2004 to the senate with an eye on eventual presidential nomination?
“That may happen anyway. Wasn’t John McCain born in the Republic of Panama when his father was stationed there with the U.S. Navy? “
Coco Solo was part of the canal zone IIRC, and thus a US territory.
“Don’t worry. Just before the election they will have someone file suit claiming John McCain was born in a foreign country to counteract the lack of citizenship of Obama.”
McCain was born in a foreign country. He was born in Panama. The difference being both of his parents are citizens and his military father was stationed in Panama.
Doesn’t matter if it was US territory or not. My son was born overseas and is an American Citizen. He doesn’t have a forged birth certificate though.
I don't know the answer to that. I also do not know which branch, agency or department of the US government is charged with the responsibility of making sure that the winning candidate meets the qualifications required by the Constitution to assume the office.
Thanks :)
Somewhere in our gazillion message thread I popped up the link for this piece by Moran.
Until the State or Justice dept. confirms a legitimate American birth certificate for Obama he should not be recognized as a candidate for President, much less President, even if elected. He should be able clear this up by tomorrow morning.
If Democrats can, with a straight face, debate the definition of is, just think of what they could do with a definition of the Canal Zone.
Your reference has “one year”.
The one year was for an out of wedlock marriage and the mother a US citizen. Wasn’t his parents married?
The real issue for that quoted section to apply is that he was born outside the US or it’s territories..... Unless they find proof of a Kenya birth it’s all hype anyway.
> ... is it possible this guy managed to get into the
> IL state bar, and later the state senate, by originally
> floating a fake birth certificate, and even managed to
> get past the vetting process the DNC had when they chose
> to elevate him in 2004 to the senate with an eye on
> eventual presidential nomination?
Sure. The DNC neglected to vet Eagleton.
Keep in mind this is not so much about whether BHO2 is
merely a citizen, but whether he meets the stricter
“natural born” requirements for POTUS, requirements
which are fairly arcane and have morphed over time.
This is a question that needs to be credibly addressed
by both presumptive candidates, by the way.
And in BHO2’s case, he may well qualify, but doesn’t
want to reveal the real cert, because it contains
some other embarrassment, like his middle name used
to be Mugabe or something.
Does wedlock imply legal marriage? If Obama’s father was already married to another woman in Kenya, is his marriage to Obama’s mother legal? So what about a child born out of wedlock to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-U.S. Citizen parent?
Possumus Illigitimi!
Child born out of wedlock to a U.S. Citizen mother:
A child born outside of the United States and out of wedlock to a U.S. Citizen mother is entitled to U.S. citizenship providing the U.S. Citizen mother had been physically present in the United States for a continuous period of at least one year at some time prior to the birth of her child. (NOTE: The U.S. citizen mother must have lived continuously for one year IN THE UNITED STATES OR ITS OUTLYING POSSESSIONS. Periods spent overseas with the U.S. government/military or as a government/military dependent, may NOT be computed as physical presence in the U.S.).
that’s exactly why the democrat propaganda machine
has been re-visiting the swift boat episode as a lie.
as if to say—the republicans lied about kerry, now they’re lying about obama.
Well, this is all great, but when will it break out to Drudge or other for the nation to be aware of it?
I don’t think this is true... I think it’s two years past the age of 16
Yeah right... Then I’m still asking, prove your birth....by giving us the hospital records and birth certificate......
In other words, if you’re baiting us, Obama, why?
You can’t forge the hospital records... Funny isn’t it? Not one doctor or nurse or hospital orderly remembers this birth, which is now one of the most famous births in all of Hawaii...
Very funny isn’t it? Where are the witnesses? Show me...
Where are they?
Obama needs to come clean on this NOW...The longer he waits the more obvious, that there’s a cover up..
I for one, firmly believe, that he was not born here, but in Kenya..and that his parentl were not married...
No. John McCain was born in the U.S. territory straddling the Panama Canal. At that time it wasn’t part of the nation of Panama.
Exactly!
Most FReepers seem to be missing this point. Any candidate for President must prove he meets the Constitutional requirements of the office.
Senator Obama's status as a natural citizen has been credibly challenged. The burden is now on Senator Obama to prove his citizenship!
Senator Obama; Where were you born?! Who is your mother?! Who is your father?! Where is your birth certificate?!
We, The People, demand this information!!!
<...Not one doctor or nurse or hospital orderly remembers this birth, which is now one of the most famous births in all of Hawaii...
Very funny isn’t it? Where are the witnesses? Show me...”>
His white grandmother, held incommunicado against her will, in Hawaii.
One birth certificate — getting thrown under the bus.
In the town where he was born, did the newspapers print notices of births?
Then why would they bother to forge the birth cert?
Is this just to keep us busy like Michelle’s “whitey” scandal or Bill and Hillary’s “burning the flag” photo?
Yawwnnnnnnnnnnnnn
That excludes B. Hussein Obama. His parents were not legally married, if "married" at all. Couldn't be, because B. Hussein senior was still married to another woman.
Still, it's very strange that BHO's campaign would not have outed the forgery ASAP, if not sooner. Unless they hoped the forgery would be accepted as a true copy in order to avoid revealing what is really on his true birth certificate, whatever that might be.
The fact that the Obama campaign refuses to "put it to bed" makes me thinks that the Great Liberal Messiah isn't a "natural born citizen".
We have to expose Obama. There's no chance John "Goody Two Shoes" McCain will ever do anything "negative".
Has anyone checked the 1970 census records for Hawaii?
He was back-and-forth between Indonesia and Hawaii. He wasn’t happy in Indonesia, though not for lack of his stepfather’s efforts, or so Barry’s childhood associates say.
Now the real question, whether he is Hawaiian born or not, is WHY did he allow his own birth be underwritten by what he knew was a document of lies. If there is no there, there,...why even allow such a little them become a distraction. INTEGRITY is the answer...the lack of it. What was his end-game regarding this.
Now that the American Thinker is reporting this, Limbaugh will not be far behind. He read this publication often on his program. A lawsuit needs to be brought to determine what is the fact regarding obamas' birth.
Why not? Who checks the validity of an official looking birth certificate?
Not only did they not expose the forgery, they posted it on the official Stop The Smears website as being his legitimate BC. That is called FRAUD.
I suspicion it is OTHER information he wants never to see the light of day - like maybe?
1. Were his mother and father weren't married at the time - (his father already had a wife in Kenya)
2. If the above were true, it's quite possible his listed birth name was, as other reports have stated, Barry Dunham...and did not his half sister, from his mother's marriage to Lolo Soetoro, say that he was enrolled as Barry Soetoro - and others from there have said he was known as Barry Soetoro, His mother married Soetoro,(a Muslim), when 'Barry' was 6 and they moved from Hawaii to Indonesia.
He went to schools there from 6 to 10, . As Obama explains in his autobiography, Dreams of My Father (which was first published almost 10 years ago): "In Indonesia, I'd spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother . In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I'd pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended."
When in Catholic school, he was still registered as a Muslim and still went to mosque and attended Koranic studies. (These are not called "The formative years" for no reason.)
SO - the question begs: If his name on the BC was given as Barry Dunham - then he used his step fathers name for some years - and perhaps went back to Barry Dunham for the years from age about 10 through high school, while living with his white grandparents, the Dunhams, in Hawaii - WHEN did his name become BHO - and why?
Was he endowed with that Islamic (not African) name by his Kenyan relatives - with deep Islamic ties? - during his first visit there while searching for his black identity and quest to become 'black enough' for acceptance in the black community back in the states???
If the above scenario is true - that would mean HE choose the name he now is known by - and THAT would have NO explainable explanation........can anyone say Waterloo? These are the questions we must demand answers to - not where he was born - Too many people are falling for one of the oldest tricks in the Marxist playbook - misdirection. Get everyone chasing their tails on where he was born - he can have a court verify he's a citizen without revealing what else is on his BC - and he has won... Wake up, Sheeple...
The site I used is run by the State Dept. - but, maybe something is left out. I don’t know.
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