Posted on 07/10/2008 12:25:11 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
A Washington County judge on Wednesday granted a temporary restraining order and injunction sought by a polygamous sect spokesman, who is accusing a Cedar City investigator of harassment.
Fifth District Judge G. Rand Beacham set a hearing for July 23 on the action sought by Willie Jessop.
Jessop, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, filed the request against private investigator Sam Brower on Tuesday. He claims Brower has a "long history of following and photographing FLDS members," often leading to confrontations, and has engaged in a "pattern of continual harassment" that includes making disparaging comments about Jessop to the media.
“The intrusions have frightened Jessop’s children and invaded the family’s expectation of privacy, according to the court filing. “
Imagine how the children felt, having just been rounded up at gunpoint, separated from their mothers and dumped in foster homes all across the state. Then this private investigator scales a fence with a news crew - scared the kids. This witch-hunt needs to end.
It’s cultalicous.
We must fill the courts with attacks against the guy on the cross
Only then will our appeals against the Allah's guy hold water.
We must have precedent!!!!!!
Then we can win.
Allah's is pimp and his murder who is Mohamed smells like a whore
You need to get over it, FLDS propagandist.
BTW: Heard your *prophet* was in bad shape.
Keep Sweet ...
Are you arguing in favor of polygamy and all of its associated horrors? Including child brides, lost boys, disintegration of families, and welfare fraud?
Perhaps you need to read this primer on polygamy prepared by the Utah and Arizona Offices of the Attorney General. And I recommend you watch this video on the principle.
Then when you have the facts ...
Oh, like that is going to help. Well I do admire your optimism...
"Jessop claims....."
That's nice.
If it's true, nowhere does it say that the reporter entered the property. And photographing someone is not *rounding them up at gunpoint*.
Witch hunts work both ways. There are witch hunts going on against anyone not affiliated with the FLDS or LDS.
The hyperbole needs to end.
Wow, you really do support that polygamous cult.
How do you know that private investigator isn't hired by one of the ousted fathers trying to get his family back?
Every time I see that damnable lie, I will point it out.
By the way, you left out the part about tanks.
Of course as I am rapidly learning, facts to these guys are very flexible things.
This thread won't last long.
Some posters can get their threads pulled the minute criticism comes in..
Now just wait a minute Zakeet. I have it on pretty good authority that all the female apologists know, as it is burning in their bosom, that revelation will be forthcoming to Monson to allow that wondrous polygamy once again to the children of men. Yea verily! And what a wondrous day that will be...all the ugly ones will finally get a husband.
I believe there are a few posting here.
Nobody knows. But it's convenient for witchhunts to presume the worst about anybody.
Kind of like lynch mobs and knowing the religious affiliation of all those involved without having been there because it happened before you were born.
You can't make someone look bad without making a whole bunch of assumptions.....
Was there or was there not an armored vehicle involved in the taking of the children?
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Just who are you, and what have you doene with metmom?
First, there’s no mention of any action in Texas. Hyperbole, indeed.
Second,
Pro 24:10 If you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small.
Pro 24:11 Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.
Pro 24:12 If you say, “Behold, we did not know this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not repay man according to his work?
(The Creator, Old Testament of the Bible, Proverbs, English Standard Version, E-Sword)
Same Joseph Smith, same Brigham Young, same Book of Mormon, same history of polygamy. The LDS can't claim to be different without disparaging their own founders and scriptures.
Warren Jeffs is Joseph Smith incarnate, including the jail time.
Imagine how the teen boys felt, having just been rounded up by folks they looked up to, separated from their mothers and dumped in strange cities all across the region.
Witch hunt? So thats what it is now?
Was there or was there not an armored vehicle involved in the taking of the children?
The quote was, "taking children at gun point"
Did not happen.
It is a “Catch 22” for them. The can’t completely dismiss them without dismissing their own heritage, and with it their beliefs which are so tied to Smith and Co.. At the same time, all the effort in modernizing their image over the past few decades are threatened.
My Prophet’s name is not Jeffs but thanks for the persecution.
Persecution stinks to High Heaven.
And it looked like a TANK to me. In my heart I will always know the kids must have thought it was a TANK comin’ to get them.
Yep, some law enforcement dudes invited FLDS innocent little boys to step inside the “tank” and look around. How fascinated they were! But then these same law enforcement dudes who lured the little boys inside participated in the round-up - with snipers hiding behind boulders. What a trick they pulled on those poor little boys! How clever!
Anyway, I am glad this FLDS guy got a restraining order to keep the media and snoopers away from his kids. Those kids have been through enough already!
Lurker - thanks.
The “rounding them up at gunpoint” occurred when the raid took place at the ranch when the children were rounded up at gunpoint, loaded onto buses, and dumped first in a coliseum (coliseum!) and then in foster homes all across the state.
Thank goodness the courts returned the innocent children to their parents.
By the way, this whole thing was instigated by an adult woman making a false report. In other words, the raid and round-up was ordered on the basis of a lie which is not kosher according to the Constitution.
That’s the thing about lies...They come back around sooner or later. The LDS church is not destined to survive the age of the internet.
Snipers behind boulders and evil men bristling with machines guns tricking kids. At this rate I am sure there will be tales of helicopter gunships and B2 bombers with stand off nukes in about 6 months
This must be how “fact”’ evolves in the LDS world. Maybe one day you'll have a chapter all to yourself in the history of the church...
Are you asserting that law enforcement ignore open violations of the anti-polygamy statutes ? Don't your prophets and scriptures command you to obey the law of the land ? Is Polygamy specifically protected under the constitution ?...Please reference.
It allows them to “look” honest about themselves to outsiders while still maintaining the flow of information to the rank and file.
I am right. I know because I am not even a “former” member, officially, yet. The level of brainwashing that goes on in the LDS church is stunning. It starts in very strong ways with the youth. “When the prophet (profit) speaks, the thinking has been done.” The girls are raised to believe they can only go to heaven if they accept polygamy in the eternities. The emotional distress and pain inflicted on the FLDS girls is also inflicted on LDS girls and women.
Utah is #1 in the nation for use of anti-depressant drugs, and also at the top for bankruptcies. It is also the only state in the nation that allows the continued payment of tithes during the bankruptcy process.
Of course even today, there are still people who think the “Bearded Lady” really was a woman and “The Wild Man From Borno” was real and not some hairy black dude.
PT Barnum and Joesph Smith rely on the same customer base, and sadly, there will always be a few. Remember Scientology, L Ron even admitted it was a scam, yet they still come.
Sad and I am glad you have seen your way clear.
Woman who may have sparked FLDS raid pleads innocent on unrelated charge:
http://flds-news.newslib.com/story/7739-1707/
I guess I’m funny this way but I don’t like people making false reports.
Do you mean to tell me that there was no implied threat of force for non-cooperation?
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The quote was, "children taken at gun point'
Did not happen.
Don't attribute things to me that I didn't say.
Spin it any way you want to, no children were taken at gun point.
You continue to spew that lie. Show me some pictures.
The difference is whether the gun is holstered or drawn. “Gun point” has always meant a drawn weapon, ready for action and pointed at a suspect or anyone else for that matter. A holstered gun is not “pointed” at anyone, but is ready to protect the officer and others. It is not a subtle difference, and using the term “gun point” when weapons were not drawn is nothing but an attempt to invoke fear and support further hyperbole.
And just HOW did they determine just WHO they were?
I hope the 'authorities' can round up the LOST BOYS and return THEM to THEIR parents someday!
Me neither!!!
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
And yet; some people will take ANYTHING at face value.
“My Prophet’s name is not Jeffs”
Sorry if I assumed wrong. Just that you seemed to make the FLDS your own special project when I don’t think a group who openly defies the law deserves such attention.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2043110/posts
Which way do you swing, Saundra? Are the FLDS Mormons?
I attributed nothing. I asked a question. One which you did not answer by the way.
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Imagine a guy walks into a bank, dressed professionally, not even carrying a weapon.
He walks up to a teller, and presents her a note, “My partner accross the street has a sniper rifle trained on you. Give me the cash.” The sniper exists, and the teller can see the sunlight reflect off of his scope.
Did he commit armed robbery?
Oh, heck yeah.
Did he rob the bank at gunpoint?
You betcha.
I did not answer your attempt to change the subject, which was the quote that I replied to.
You did attribute to me, by implication, something that I didn't say. The original poster tells that particular lie on every FLDS thread, I call her on it every time I see it, I will continue to do that.
It has already been explained to you about the difference between armed police and guns pointed at children (which didn't happen)
I know "you get it" and that's why you have attempted to divert the subject somewhere else. I'm done with you, any further replies from you won't even be read (yes, I have that kind of self-discipline) argue with yourself for a while and I will continue to call a lie a lie and a liar a liar.
Saundra,
For months, the LDS members here have been informing anyone who would listen that the FLDS is not the LDS, they two are completely different, the LDS "disavows" the FLDS, and any comparison is "bigotry."
Furthermore, LDS members have told me they view the FLDS practices and teachings as "criminal."
So, why are you posting a thread and why did you post comments that are implicitly defending them?
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