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US Suffers Heavy Afghan Losses (Reports of 8 or 9 killed in Kunar Province Attack)
BBC ^ | Sunday, July 13, 2008

Posted on 07/13/2008 10:16:53 AM PDT by kristinn

At least eight US soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan in clashes with Taleban militants.

US commander Daniel Dwyer told the BBC the soldiers had been killed in clashes in the north-east of the country.

The BBC's Martin Patience in Kabul says it is one of the biggest single losses in a day for the coalition since the start of military operations there.

The attack came as international and Afghan security forces battled militants on several fronts.

On Sunday, US forces said 40 insurgents had been killed in Helmand province in the past 24 hours.

There are conflicting reports as to where the latest attack took place.

A foreign military spokesman said US soldiers and members of the Afghan National Army came under attack in Kunar province, near the border with Pakistan.

But Afghan officials insist the fighting took place in neighbouring Nuristan Province.

Nato reported that a small American Combat Outpost in Dara-I-Pech district of Kunar Province, came under heavy fire at around 04.30 local time.

It said insurgents had fired "with small arms, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars using homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover."

Local officials say a number of civilians and militants were killed in the attack.

Our correspondent says there are frequent attacks in the area.

In a separate incident on Sunday, a suicide bomber killed at least 21 people, many of them children, in a market in the Deh Rawud district of Uruzgan province.


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God bless the souls of our brave soldiers and may He comfort their families.

Fox is quoting the AP saying 9 soldiers were killed in an attack involving machine guns and mortars.

1 posted on 07/13/2008 10:16:53 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Prayers up


2 posted on 07/13/2008 10:19:15 AM PDT by Dacula (I never left the Republican party, they left me a long time ago.)
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To: kristinn

I sure hope the attackers were read their Miranda rights and didn’t have their phones tapped without a court order.


3 posted on 07/13/2008 10:19:30 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: kristinn

Something’s not right with this story. While I’m not doubting the casualty count, something very bad happened that will probably result in some heads rolling in the U.S. Army’s high command there.


4 posted on 07/13/2008 10:21:07 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: kristinn

While the Taliban has been suffering enormous casualties for the last year in Helmand and the south, the most hard-core Taliban and Al Qaeda regulars have been in the northeast, adjacent to Kunar, and attacks from that direction have been predicted for a long time. We definitely need more resources up there.


5 posted on 07/13/2008 10:21:14 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: All
In Helmand province, Nato and Afghan troops reported killing 40 bad guys today who tried to ambush them:

"The ensuing fight led ANSF (Afghanistan National Security Forces) and coalition forces to return fire and call for precision air strikes,'' it said.

"At least 40 militants have been killed in the last two days, while over 30 enemy boats and several ... bridges were also destroyed on the Helmand River.''

6 posted on 07/13/2008 10:21:46 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Prayers up for these soldiers and their families.


7 posted on 07/13/2008 10:21:56 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: kristinn

Some number of soldiers curently assigned to Iraq ar possibly being reassigned to Afghanistan. Pakistan needs to understand that this escalation is their fault.


8 posted on 07/13/2008 10:22:05 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

The AP report mentioned by Fox said the attack came from houses and a mosque.


9 posted on 07/13/2008 10:23:02 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Our prayers go out to the families of those brave soldiers. However, for the BBC to call these losses “heavy” is misleading. US Heavy losses are:

Antietam: North: One Day: 2108
South: Same Day: 1,546

D Day: 1465 Dead

Those are heavy casualties for a single day of fighting. God bless our troops and give us the wisdom to keep things in perspective.


10 posted on 07/13/2008 10:23:24 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: kristinn
“US Suffers Heavy Afghan Losses (Reports of 8 or 9 killed in Kunar Province Attack)”

If the BBC had this attitude in WWII, we would all be speaking German.
11 posted on 07/13/2008 10:26:21 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: RightWhale

I think we’ve reached the point with the tribal regions on the Pak-Afghan border that we should just start bombing the crap out those Taliban strongholds in Pakistan until they are destroyed.


12 posted on 07/13/2008 10:26:29 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Thanks for finding this- I was looking for a NON AP link for this story to post.

Thanks and prayers to our soldiers and their familes.


13 posted on 07/13/2008 10:28:07 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: kristinn

Pure and simple self-defense at this point.


14 posted on 07/13/2008 10:29:11 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: kristinn

Prayers for the families.


15 posted on 07/13/2008 10:29:21 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: johnnycap

estimates range from 2,500 to more than 5,000 dead on D-Day.


16 posted on 07/13/2008 10:31:36 AM PDT by omega4179 (B.Hussein Keep the change!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Remember the prison break? Something like 400 prisoners got free. Wasn’t that in Afghanistan?


17 posted on 07/13/2008 10:33:23 AM PDT by Just Lori (There is nothing democrat"ic" about democrats.)
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To: kristinn
using homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover...a suicide bomber killed at least 21 people, many of them children, in a market in the Deh Rawud...

F*ng cowards we're fighting there. Come out and die like a man if you have the guts!

18 posted on 07/13/2008 10:40:11 AM PDT by McGruff (This is not the [insert name here] I knew.)
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To: Just Lori

Yes Northern ‘Stan, it resulted in the first known casualty of the war for us....a Southern boy named Spann......ex-marine...left behind a family with several little kids I think.

He was a first-on-the-ground hire by the CIA working with the Northern Alliance.

That was an ancient prison where the bad guys were being held and it was also where Johnny Jihad the Marin County Lib Raised Brat was complicit in Spann’s death by not alerting him when he knew the prisoner revolt was coming. Spann was killed by a mob....they tore and beat him to death. Typical of Kush savages.

Mazar-i-Sharif was the place.


19 posted on 07/13/2008 10:43:11 AM PDT by wardaddy (Myself and my ancestors take full responsibility for all racial discrimination here since 1607)
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To: johnnycap

From Google

“Almost 133000 troops from England, Canada and the United States landed on D-Day. Casualties from the three countries during the landing numbered 10300. ...”
www.eisenhower.archives.gov/dl/dday/ddaypage.html


20 posted on 07/13/2008 10:43:45 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

something very bad happened that will probably result in some heads rolling in the U.S. Army’s high command there.......................................................Sometimes an ambush is just that and it sounds like the enemy got lucky.


21 posted on 07/13/2008 10:48:47 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: kristinn

This version of the story fails to mention the ambush fire came from homes and mosques!

Time to treat mosques as terror headquarters and flatten them.

The idea that we should continue to let them use our culture and “rules of engagement” against is foolish and must end NOW!


22 posted on 07/13/2008 10:48:54 AM PDT by G Larry (Fight B.O. with RIGHT GUARD! Vote McCain!)
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To: kristinn

The Dwyer they are quoting isn’t a spokesman but the head of a navy reconstruction team.

There is nothing on the DOD afganistan site.


23 posted on 07/13/2008 10:49:30 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: kristinn

Rest In Peace Brave Warriors

May God Comfort All Who Mourn


24 posted on 07/13/2008 10:50:03 AM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military)
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To: johnnycap
"Antietam: North: One Day: 2108
South: Same Day: 1,546
"

God Bless the North.
And God Bless the Rebs.
Thank you for that timely reminder, Johnny.

25 posted on 07/13/2008 10:58:38 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: kristinn
The number could rise...brace yourselves. Sounds like the base was overrun..

The governor of Nuristan, Doctor Hazrat Hazratin Noor, told The Times: "The Taliban attacked the US base yesterday and the American planes bombed the area. After the attack, the US troops decided to move their base to the district centre of Wanat and they tried to build shelters there in the bazaar overnight. Now the Taliban have attacked again."

This could be very bad news.

26 posted on 07/13/2008 10:59:22 AM PDT by Dog (We have entered into the realm of 9/10 all over again...Lord help us.)
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To: kristinn
8 Soldiers killed in worse U.S. battle since D-Day!


Oh, and 40 enemy were killed, a 5/1 kill ratio.

27 posted on 07/13/2008 11:01:56 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: kristinn

God bless the souls of our brave soldiers and may He comfort their families.

Amen


28 posted on 07/13/2008 11:01:58 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: kristinn
Sounds like it might be time to clean house again.And after so doing we need to destroy every single blessed poppy plant in the country thus denying the 9th Century beasts who sell it the funds to but their weapons.
29 posted on 07/13/2008 11:03:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The problem with the rat race is,even if you win you're still a rat.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog

Ping


30 posted on 07/13/2008 11:11:57 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Already ready here and posted...:-)


31 posted on 07/13/2008 11:13:13 AM PDT by Dog (We have entered into the realm of 9/10 all over again...Lord help us.)
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To: Dog
From CNN:

Though details of the attack were not immediately available, an earlier statement from NATO's International Security Assistance Force said Afghan and ISAF soldiers were involved in "heavy fighting" with insurgents at a command outpost in Kunar province.

"Insurgents have been firing at the [command outpost] with small arms, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars, using homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover," according to the statement.

ISAF and Afghan soldiers, backed by air support, responded with small arms, machine guns, mortars and artillery, the statement said.

"There have been casualties on both sides of the fight, but accurate numbers could not be confirmed as the fighting is ongoing at the time of this release," the statement said.

32 posted on 07/13/2008 11:14:16 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Many prayers up for our Troopers and their families. You are in our thoughts, hearts and prayers.


33 posted on 07/13/2008 11:19:55 AM PDT by Chgogal (Voting "Present" 130 times might be a sign of a smart politician. It is not a sign of a good leader.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
While I’m not doubting the casualty count, something very bad happened that will probably result in some heads rolling in the U.S. Army’s high command there.

We may never know. Soldiers may have just dropped their guard and bunched up. In Vietnam, Special Forces use of guides and interpreters of dubious alleigance probably resulted in more that one SF team going missing.

34 posted on 07/13/2008 11:25:11 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
something very bad happened that will probably result in some heads rolling in the U.S. Army’s high command there.

We already have a winner in the contest for who can make the most ignorant remark about a story that is completely lacking in verified facts and contextual framework. Congratulations, you can claim your prize over at your nearest Obama campaign office.

35 posted on 07/13/2008 11:34:24 AM PDT by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: Dog
According to the AP the attack started at 4:30 a.m. local time and is still ongoing.
36 posted on 07/13/2008 11:34:55 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: Straight Vermonter
Wanat is not far from Goraparay, where a US/Afghan outpost was also attacked recently.


37 posted on 07/13/2008 11:35:49 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: kristinn

My mother in law (RIP) said we should “ drop the A bomb on em” back in 2001. With quick thinking like hers- this would have been over long ago. What is stopping us now I wonder??


38 posted on 07/13/2008 11:36:21 AM PDT by newzhawk
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To: kristinn; All

Info here :

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu6EWRnpIoNYAiOdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzNnN1ZjRnBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y4MjNfMTA1/SIG=11v3n6n80/EXP=1216059286/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunar_Province

Fighting ongoing :

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9j8eu8.SXpIIiUAWw3QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHZkMjZyBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNzcg—/SIG=124kbp7jb/EXP=1216060094/**http%3a//www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0807/S00369.htm

Seems to be the same story,,,

Dara-I-Pech district of Kunar province...


39 posted on 07/13/2008 11:39:12 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: newzhawk

My mother in law (RIP) said we should “ drop the A bomb on em” back in 2001. With quick thinking like hers- this would have been over long ago. What is stopping us now I wonder??


let me guess. maybe because most governments tend not to nuke their own troops on the ground?


40 posted on 07/13/2008 11:43:01 AM PDT by austrian
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To: wardaddy; Just Lori
Thank you for reminding us of Captain Johnny Michael Spann, a true American hero by all accounts.

I believe Just Lori was referring to the Kandahar prison break that occurred on June 26, 2008. More than 1000 prinsoners, including 400 Taliban escaped when a suicide bomber blew open the gates to the prison.

41 posted on 07/13/2008 12:01:37 PM PDT by FredZarguna (This tagline dedicated "To the Socialists of all Parties." Even those posting on FR.)
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To: All

“Militant attacks killed 10 NATO soldiers and at least two dozen Afghans on Sunday”
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42 posted on 07/13/2008 12:04:20 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: kristinn

What was the unit?


43 posted on 07/13/2008 12:05:11 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: kristinn

Anyone who considers 9 killed to be ‘heavy losses’ is just exposing their ignorance.

It’s a personal tragedy for the families involved, and a loss to the country of potential future leaders, but the leftist media is just showing us their lack of intellectual skills.


44 posted on 07/13/2008 12:15:46 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: omega4179; marktwain; johnnycap
D Day: 1465 Dead

We could not fight D-Day or even WWII in today's world. The left, anti-war cowards, Dimocrats, would not stand for it. Americans would not rush to join like they did after Pearl Harbor. Even though many did join after 9-1-1, it was no where like after Pearl. Sad testimony too today's America, that people do not want to defend their country, rights, freedoms, etc. Naw, we just give them away free today for free stuff from the Marxists Dimocrats.

45 posted on 07/13/2008 12:22:31 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Congress in session, the White House occupied - Your freedom, liberty and rights are in jeopardy.)
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To: kristinn

I agree wholeheartedly with you! Let hell rain down on the scum!


46 posted on 07/13/2008 12:23:07 PM PDT by fishergirl (My warrior, my soldier, my hero - my son. God bless our troops!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Same bunch I would suppose....involved in that other incident.
47 posted on 07/13/2008 12:23:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: kristinn


Yes....May God Bless our incredible servicemen, and may he grant solace and healing to the families and friends of those that have just lost their lives....
48 posted on 07/13/2008 12:30:59 PM PDT by rottndog (Freedom IS NOT FREE...Let us NEVER FORGET those that have paid the higest price for it!)
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To: Straight Vermonter; Dog; kristinn
Looking around news sources...found this:

Taliban kill 17 FC men

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July 13, 2008 Sunday Rajab 9, 1429

By Abdul Sami Paracha


KOHAT, July 12: Seventeen Frontier Constabulary personnel were killed on Saturday after militants ambushed an FC convoy in Hangu district. Several soldiers were injured in the attack.

Officials said the convoy was ambushed by the Taliban while it was on its way to Doaba from Fort Zargari.

During the 40-minute-long encounter, one local militant ‘commander’, Razeem, was killed and two of his colleagues were injured.

No reinforcements were sent to help the convoy ward off the attack, which took place in an area where two security vehicles were attacked just a few hours before the deadly ambush.

Helicopter gunships pounded surrounding hills where militants were believed to be hiding.

Mullah Sanaullah, a militant ‘commander’, sent a message to the administration after the ambush that his forces would attack security officials if they came to collect the bodies lying in vehicles.

The administration sent a two-member delegation, comprising MNA Pir Haider Ali Shah and Hangu district nazim Khan Afzal, to go to a seminary in the Kahi village and constitute a jirga of clerics for talks with militants on retrieving the bodies and the injured. The jirga is expected to come back in case talks are successful and hand over the bodies early in the morning.

Noorzad, a local, told Dawn that the bodies, including that of the convoy’s commanding officer, were lying inside the vehicles. Three of the soldiers had been slaughtered by Taliban before they left the area, he claimed.

The Kahi seminary is supposed to be managed by Rafiuddin, an aide to Baitullah Mehsud’s deputy. Rafiuddin is currently in the custody of security forces. Clashes erupted after the administration refused to release him.

Jirga members also accused the government of rigidity regarding a request for the handing over of the three militants who were among seven people arrested by police during a flag march on Thursday. The jirga had suspended talks on Friday.

In the first incident, which occurred near the Zargari toll plaza, the militants attacked an FC convoy, but security personnel escaped unhurt. However, a boy was seriously injured in shooting by the militant.

Earlier, security forces arrested four suspects from a car after the driver ignored a warning to stop at a checkpost in the Doaba bazaar. The vehicle was impounded after a chase by security personnel.

Doaba, Thall, Zargari, Tora Warai, Chappri, Togh Sarai and Hangu towns remained tense for a third consecutive day.

49 posted on 07/13/2008 12:32:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Straight Vermonter; Dog; kristinn
Roggio has some info:

Taliban launch deadly attack on a combat outpost in Afghanistan's Kunar province

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The Taliban launched a complex attack against a newly established combat outpost in the Pech district in Afghanistan's eastern province of Kunar. Heavy fighting is currently underway, and US forces are said to have taken multiple casualties in the attack.

The Taliban launched the attack early this morning at approximately 4:30 AM according to a press release from the International Security Assistance Force. The Taliban initiated the battle "with small arms, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars using homes, shops and the mosque in the village of Wanat for cover."

Afghan and US forces based at the outpost have fought back and called in artillery and helicopter support and airstrikes.

Afghan, US, and Taliban casualties have not been released as the fighting is ongoing, but ISAF reported that "there have been casualties on both sides of the fight." The Associated Press reported that nine US soldiers have been killed. If true, the attack would mark one of the largest incidents of US casualties during a ground engagement in Afghanistan.

In separate incident in Uruzgan province in southern Afghanistan, a Taliban suicide bomber killed 24 Afghans and wounded more than 40 in a deadly suicide attack at a market. Security officials said Afghan police were the target, and several policemen were reported killed in the attack.

Today's attacks plays directly into al Qaeda and the Taliban's propaganda and military strategy. The Taliban have launched a series of assaults on US and Afghan bases and patrol and government centers throughout the eastern regions of Afghanistan that border Pakistan’s tribal areas. The extremists hope to destabilize the Afghan government and overrun an outpost or district center as a show of strength.

Al Qaeda spokesman and Afghan commander Abu Yahya al Libi released a seven-minute videotape earlier this week titled "A Message To One of the Sheiks." Al Libi said the attacks on Coalition bases and suicide attacks show the Taliban is gaining strength and is "determined to turn the upcoming winter to hell for the infidels." The Taliban in Afghanistan "are going through continuous triumphs ... and are in a better shape compared with what they had been before," he stated.

50 posted on 07/13/2008 12:44:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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