Posted on 07/13/2008 8:34:52 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
Custer County's sheriff is taking a stand.
"We don't want them here," Fred Jobe says of the polygamists who quietly are settling onto his turf. "I just don't want them to think they're gonna move in and take over the county."
As Jobe tells it, followers of Warren Jeffs' Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have moved into four compounds in Custer County and two in Fremont County. The extent of their influx into south-central Colorado is unclear because few outsiders have been let inside the sect's secrecy fences.
Many locals are wondering why they don't see frumpy-frocked women, their octogenarian husbands and broods of children in town.
"Why don't we run into them in the grocery store, the post office? Why don't they support our businesses?" asks Jane Thomas, who lives yards from a compound near Westcliffe.
If this doesn't scare you half to death, nothing will. They even admit it's a witch-hunt. The poor FLDS children are in for it unless the Constitution is allowed to protect them.
“With rapt applause from her audience, she went further by mocking the religion, which she likens to the Taliban, and deriding its minions as unChristian followers of polygamous Old Testament Jews. “
Ouch. Do I detect a bit of antisemitism here? Please read the entire article to see that the journalist is somewhat shocked.
“Why don’t they support our businesses?” asks Jane Thomas”
Well Jane, folks like this tend to be quite self sufficient. That could be why ya whiny little P.I.N.A.
I am studying for a CLEP test for U.S. History since 1865 to the present and I came across an interesting bit of history. These well meaning do-gooders (you know holier-than-thou) got a bright idea on how to deal with the “Indian problem”. They rounded up ALL the children on the reservations and dumped them in White run boarding schools. Wouldn’t allow them to speak their language or practice any of their Indian ways; destroyed their culture; made them dress like white Americans; cut their hair; separated the kids from their families. No exceptions. Many of the kids suffered tremendously, if not all. They used to do the same thing to deaf, deaf/blind, blind children. All in the name of Christian good works.
It just reminded of what is happening to the FLDS right here in my America.
Translation, we can look the other way no mater what you are doing if you bring money...
Did this article give you just a little bit of uneasiness deep in the pit of your stomach?
Yeah, right.
No Sandy you read the whole story. It appears with your every post that you ignore those who have left and what they have to tell us.
I wonder sometimes if you do not post these stories from inside the compound.
Is everyone on this thread a Warren Jeffs follower?
These people hold women and children in slavery just like Islam does.
America doesn’t stand for that, remember?
they’d be among similar folks in iraq,
and no one would pay much attention.
am studying for a CLEP test for U.S. History since 1865 to the present and I came across an interesting bit of history. These well meaning do-gooders (you know holier-than-thou) got a bright idea on how to deal with the “Indian problem”. They rounded up ALL the children on the reservations and dumped them in White run boarding schools. Wouldn’t allow them to speak their language or practice any of their Indian ways; destroyed their culture; made them dress like white Americans; cut their hair; separated the kids from their families. No exceptions. Many of the kids suffered tremendously, if not all. They used to do the same thing to deaf, deaf/blind, blind children. All in the name of Christian good works.
My husband is a native american and he personally is quite glad that they rounded them up and educated and mainstreamed his ancestors. He is quite thankful that he lives in a HOUSE and not a wigwam AND he really likes his car and other “WHITE” amnities.
Is everyone on this thread a Warren Jeffs follower?
These people hold women and children in slavery just like Islam does.
America doesn’t stand for that, remember?
I’m with you!!! I know that most here will say they are no fans of the FLDS and that they are just looking after these peoples rights but I don’t care. What about the rights of the women and children in this CULT??!! They need our help.
Thanks for Post #7. Isn’t this just so in-your-face bigotry?
I am comfortable in my own home in Fresno, thank you very much and I have never met an FLDS. However, if I ever did meet an FLDS human being face to face, I would not spit in their face and try to run them out of town. I would apologize for the way they have been treated in my America.
“These people hold women and children in slavery just like Islam does.”
Do you have proof to back up that claim?
On the other hand, we DO have proof that the TX CPS held adult women against their will and stood gaping as two adult women gave birth. This is called false imprisonment.
The other thing that is ignored is that the M.O. of the FDLS is to have one public wife and the rest resides as single mothers. Those single moms then enroll in every form of public assistance they can qualify for.
I used to wonder that.....but not any more.
Wow! The native Americans who are undisturbed on their own land today and who have fought for and gained self-determination will most definitely disagree with you. And if a bunch of federal/state authorities tried to invade their territory and round up all their children at gunpoint, there’d be heck to pay.
I am fascinated by some of these responses . . . in my America.
“What about the rights of the women and children in this CULT??!! They need our help.”
What about the Constitution?
You, of all people asking for proof of something? You, who on numerous threads have posted the damn'd lie about guns pointed at innocent children. Post a picture of someone pointing a gun at a child during the flds raid and then ask others for "proof".
“Those single moms then enroll in every form of public assistance they can qualify for. “
Not true. Before the raid and round-up, the FLDS were self sufficient on the ranch. They had gardens, a dairy, chickens, etc. Now, however, since many of the FLDS are afraid to go home due to fear of CPS, they are forced to rent apts and houses and go on public assistance. Are you happy now?
I should have read all the comments before posting, I knew you would work your ever present damn'd lie in there sooner or later.
“posted the damn’d lie about guns pointed at innocent children”
You have seen the photo of a sniper. Now who do you suppose the sniper is aiming at? Perhaps the FLDS women and children? That’s who got rounded up at gunpoint. Here’s a few shots. Please note the sniper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAYWWPWzgzk
Those old men are marrying children and you know it.
If you want to twist the law around to protect those old men you will have joined the ranks of all those who are trying to destroy this country.
So someone from a anti-flds group is following them around and stirring up stuff and she is from a similar sect not this bunch.
I wonder how much someone like this was behind the mess in Texas. Could a bunch like this or this bunch be where the gal in Colorado got her info.
There is something wrong with ex FLDS getting rich off of book sales and TX CPS and law enforcement using their books as templates to condemn and prosecute an entire community. Furthermore, we are individuals and according to the Constitution are to be treated as individuals with due process. The Constitution used to mean something.
Thanks for your post. (Can you believe some of these pro raid, pro round-up comments, from FReepers no less?)
I tripped over it on the way in. Just insert blacks, illegals, homosexuals...you get the picture.
I remember what happened at Ruby Ridge & Waco. I remember what the msm told us and I know the truth.
“raised fears Thursday about the sect propagating like rabbits”
Apparently, they don’t think the FLDS should be allowed to procreate. Did you read the antisemitic comment? Did you read the statement about the witch-hunt? Did you read the wild accusations about drowning deformed babies?
This is pretty darn frightening and I did not think it could happen in my America.
When they came for the bikers, I didn’t rise up because I can’t shift gears on a motorcycle.
When they came for the Catholics, I didn’t rise up because they would never give me communion.
When they came for the FDLS people, I didn’t rise up because I was happy with one wife.
When they came for homosexuals, I didn’t rise up because I never understood them.
When they came for the protesters, I didn’t rise up because they went too far anyway.
When they came for the liberals, I didn’t rise up except to applaud.
When they came for the libertarians, I didn’t rise up because Ron Paul is a nutbag.
When they came for the lawyers, I didn’t rise up because lawyers are all scum.
Then they came for my guns, and there was nobody left to rise up with me.
What might that be?
In the past, they have existed in the shadows but they seem to be expanding. They have been careful to keep stay within the letter of the law.
I would like to see some heavy duty investigative reporting done on the cult's finances. They are getting their money from somewhere...and they seem to have a lot more money than they used to five or ten years ago. Where is all the money coming from? The women don't hold jobs...and darn few of the men do. And each of the men is supporting several women and lots of kids. I can see how they could be self-supporting. What I don't see is where they are getting the money to buy new property. It just does not compute.
I can't blame the folks in Custer Country for not welcoming the FLDS to the neighborhood. I would not want them as neighbors either.
The wild stories with very little or no basis in fact seems to abound about this group
If they are doing something illegal arrest them and charge them but even in the Texas thing there are no charges yet we keep hearing how any day but so far nope.
More and more the Texas thing looks like short creek +50 years the problem then as now the state went crazy and in the end had nothing to justify the extent they went to.
If they want to punish the guilty they have to go after them one at a time as individuals not try to demonetize the whole bunch.
That is what they did with jeffs and he is now where he belongs now go after the others who have broke the law as individuals and leave the kids and women alone.
BTTT
Have you looked at the Bishop's List recently?
Nephi Jeffs lived at YFZ with 8 of his 14 "wives". 22 of his minor children live there, where are the other 2?
Leroy Steed brought 3 of his wives to the ranch but 4 are still in Short Creek with 7 of the 24 minor children.
Keith Dutson, 46, brought his 3 youngest "wives" (17, 21 and 22) to Texas but left the 2 older ones in Short Creek. He also left 12 of his 14 children there.
Lehi Allred came to the ranch with his 16 year old "wife" but left the other 2 "wives" and all 3 children in Short Creek.
Michael Emack, 56 brought along his 19 year old "wife" and his 18 month old son left 3 "wives" and 10 children in Short Creek.
Abram Jeffs left 3 of his 5 "wives" in Short Creek, along with 4 of his 9 children.
Lloyd Barlow left all of his 4 "wives" and all of his 15 children in Short Creek.
Edmund Allred brought 2 "wives" and 7 children to the ranch. He left 6 "wives" and 29 children in Hildale.
David Johnson went to the ranch alone. He left his wife and 2 children in Short Creek.
Paul Allred also went to the ranch without his family. He left 2 "wives" and and 3 sons in Colorado City.
Jacob Jessop and Fred Lindsey each left a wife in Short Creek.
Don Jessop was also travelling solo, leaving behind 2 "wives" and 2 children.
Richard Barlow left his 2 "wives" and 13 children in Short Creek.
Edson Jessop left his 5 "wives" and 45 children in Short Creek.
Do you think those left behind are self-sufficient or on public assistance?
“leave the kids and women alone. “
Exactly.
Have I looked at the “Bishop’s List” lately? I don’t even know what you are talking about. I want everyone to leave these pathetic people alone already.
I think I am agreement with you. I think people should be allowed to live like they want to. Still, they are a cult, but I don’t think that fact should rule out their right to live how they wish.
There are other cults in our country that are allowed to exist and this cult should be allowed to live as they wish. In my own life, I prefer freedom. I have studied the Mormon cult and this is just an off shoot and I am well acquainted with many Mormons and we discuss their cult in compairison with Christianity and we still get along just fine.
Mitt Romney made me a little nervous, though, because all these folk believe they can become gods and now even the women tell me they can become goddesses and that would have made it so Mitt could have become the first president to become a god. That would be a little wierd to me.
If anyone wishes to read up on this stuff they can read Kingdom of the Cults or The Maze of Mormonism by Dr. Walter R. Martin.
Cult or not, I say they should be free to live how they wish.
“stood gaping as two adult women gave birth”
WTH? As much as I admire your persistence, you have the strangest imagination possible. Sheltered life I imagine?
Hmmm? Seems other organiztions are using this vid to propogandize.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/flds-thread-484674p58.html
Even if they're breaking the law? Gee, I think that's how the 9-11 terrorists managed to stay in this country until that fatal day.
No one bothered them.
You should look into the LDS Placement Program. (hint: it was before your time 1947 to 1996). It was a dismal failure because they did the same things ie: Wouldn’t allow them to speak their language or practice any of their Indian ways; destroyed their culture; made them dress like white Americans; cut their hair; separated the kids from their families.
The main problem for society here is the availability of all those “public assistance” programs. Eliminating those would be far more beneficial to America than hanging all the FLDS folks.
“I want everyone to leave these pathetic people alone already.”
Can’t do it. They are part of a large scale criminal investigation.
I should have read all the comments before posting, I knew you would work your ever present damn'd lie in there sooner or later.
Even MSM told us , approvingly, about the use of armored vehicles and heavily armed and very numerous SWATs. That is sort of like gunpoint, no? And, moreover, it was based on a fraudulent informant tip. And good putatively conservative people justify it all because it is a "cult." Which Article in the Constitution is the authority here? or is the Constitution irrelevant when you "know" that "it just ain't right?"
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