Posted on 07/17/2008 10:02:43 AM PDT by An Old Man
"It appears that the city does not yet understand the decision and order of the Supreme Court," said Heller, a 66-year-old a security guard.
"An applicant must fill out registration forms, submit fingerprints and pass a written firearm-proficiency test, while police ballistics experts test-fire the revolver. The revolver will then be returned to the owner, but he or she cannot legally use the weapon, even for self-defense, until notified that the registration has been approved. "
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Someone should throw all of these cretans in the brig.
Semper Fi
An Old Man
Sad.
We supposedly celebrate and pat ourselves on the back that we’ve sustained one of the God given liberties of our forefathers.
But what is the immediate result in actuality?
Gun Registration.
Sad.
Everything has a catch.
*snort*
Americans used to be a scrappy lot and would fight at the drop of a hat. Any government violation of the Constitution should be opposed today by massive civil disobedience or else the government will do as it pleases and the Constitution won’t be worth a bucket of cold _ _ _ _.
it will take years to approve these applications. and then the paperwork will get lost. oops!
Turnout is low probably because they’ve still made it over-burdensome to comply with the city’s revised laws, and that those laws are still extremely over-restrictive as to what types of weapons are allowed.
I hope the jerks are held personally liable for conspiracy to violate civil rights.
you would think if you got your gun back you would have the registration back with it. If mean come on, if the police are going to keep the until ballistics testing is done, they should keep it until the registration is approved. What happens if you get your gun and the registration is denied? These guys are the biggest idiots on the planet.
Was this waht the SCOTUS really meant?
Who wants to put an over/under bet on how long it’ll take for some DC resident finally uses their gun for lawful self defense, and then the DC gestapo tries to pile manslaughter or murder charges on for daring to defend onesself?
I’ll say within 9 months, it’ll happen.
Also why would anyone register now when the likelihood is that this requirement will get shot down too.
Why give them information that they don’t need to have.
I'm only guessing here, but is this done in order to get a 'ballistic fingerprint' on record?
My thoughts, too. And, since the firing of the gun is illegal until the registration is “approved,” I’m also guessing that the “ballistics experts” may be under a mandate to monkey with the gun to make it inoperable. And, since it will likely be decades until “approval” is given, the owner has no way of legally firing the gun to find out what damage the police “experts” did.
Well, someone's got to bite the bullet (pun intended) to be the test case for getting the law overturned (Heller continues to be "DA MAN" here). But you're quite right, and hopefully Heller's legal team will argue that the low turnout is an indication that the restrictions are considered unreasonable by the residents of DC.
I think part of the problem is that you have to physically bring the firearm for registration, don’t you?
Since you can’t buy one in DC (no civilian stores), and you can’t buy one in MD and VA (not resident), it may be hard to walk in and claim the fifth.
How the heck do you do it?
I’m guessing that good business could be had by gun techs in (I know there’s a term for this but it escapes me at the moment) re-doing (rifling?) the barrels after these “ballistic experts” do their “test firing,” and to check for a fix any monkeying they do.
It is my belief that this whole business of registration is an unconstitutional infringement on my rights. Yesterday, I posted a link to a very interesting article written by Clayton Cramer on the subject of registration. If you have not already read the article, please do so now. I suspect you will find it quite interesting.
Semper Fi
An Old Man
Bingo. We have turned into a nation of sheep. We go along to get along, allow ourselves to be herded and grazed by a miniscule minority of people who deem themselves worthy to set the rules for us little people. Until significant numbers of people stand up and say, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH," it will never change.
MM (in TX)
Ummmm...so are the violent criminals of DC suffering under the same restrictions? Do they have to submit a ‘mother may I’ to the District, have their AUTOLOADER test fired by the police, wait to use it until given the OK??? Eh? Inquiring minds want to know! Certainly theyre all lined up waiting to be serviced by the Districts Finest...right?
Guess I would keep my gun and not bother to register.:)
I sure as heck wouldn’t turn my gun over to these crooks for ballistic testing or anything else.
Since DC’s revised “gun registration” laws are essentially the same as the pre-Heller restrictions, the low turnout should not be a surprise to anyone.
Felons are by law exempt from the registration process!
Consider a law that requires registration of firearms: a convicted felon can not be convicted for failing to register a gun, because it is illegal under Federal law for a felon to possess a firearm; but a person who can legally own a gun, and fails to register it, can be punished. In short, the person at whom, one presumes, such a registration law is aimed, is the one who cannot be punished, and yet, the person at whom such a registration law is not principally aimed (i.e., the law-abiding person), can be punished.
Unintended consequences strike again!
Semper Fi
An Old Man
We all know that as soon as you set down your pistol, it will get up and shoot someone; just like crack left on a table will fly inadvertently into the mayor's nose.
You have the right idea! See my posts #18 and #24
Semper Fi
An Old Man
"while police ballistics experts test-fire the revolver."
I'm only guessing here, but is this done in order to get a 'ballistic fingerprint' on record?
You're correct. One possible solution: Buy a Dan Wesson revolver. For some stupid reason, any bottom loading pistol is classified as a 'machine gun' in DC. Have them test fire a barrel, then change it and toss the tested one in the Potomac.
I would keep my gun to myself and take my chances at a failure to register charge should I have to use it in self defense.
Besides, I would argue that 99% of all gun crimes are committed with non-registered or stolen weapons.
DC isn’t very big, couldn’t someone just drive to VA and go to a range?
This sounds like our concealed handgun permit check, except we test fire our own weapons.
Does ‘bottom loading’ include pistols with magazines in the grip?
That, and:
"Ballistics examiners will compare the test-fired bullets to bullets from unsolved shootings to determine if a revolver was used in a crime."
Yes indeed......silly, isn’t it. On the other hand, it means (according to DC) I own machine guns.
How dumb is that? If you were gang-banging with a gun, why would you register it, and worse, if a crime had been committed, why would you bring it in so it could be ballistically fingerprinted? I don't think you could find a criminal stupid enough to do that.
That's kind of beside the point. You can't defend yourself, or your home without legal consequences, if you live in DC without going through all these machinations.
Never misunderestimate the stupidity of the average gangbanger. But it does strain credulity.
True, but it was an answer to the guy who said the owner has no way of legally firing the gun to find out what damage the police “experts” did.
You can tell the DC City Council is going to act like a bunch of petulent children about this. I can see in the end after they’ve lost all the court cases, they’ll probably throw up their hands and permit open/concealed carry of anything while they go sit in the corner.
Not that it would be a bad thing...
My hubby and I have been locked and loaded for many years and we intend to keep it that way! We are “old” too! :)
Good for both of you!
Semper Fi
An Old Man
That’s exactly what they’re referring to.
The idea is anything that does not have an inherent limit on capacity (like a revolver or fixed-mag semi) is a MG. The reasoning is that while some are intended for low capacity (M1911’s 7-8 round mags), extended mags exist or are possible (50 round drum mags are available for the M1911).
Your never been fired, never out of the box Colt Python will look like it went through the Katrina hurricane.
What is lunitic about DC and their intentional insanity... As you are transporting your gun to where you register it and so on, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW.
Before you license it, buy it, take it home, transport it to a licensing location, take it our of your vehicle and carry it inside... throughout this entire part of the process, before you license it, you are in violation of their A$$WIPE law.
Just more of an example of the insanity, dishonesty, and total corruption comming from the left
Yes, I suppose so. In fact, I would be surprised if there were even any public access ranges in DC, given the gun laws there. Which would mean that DC residents would have to go to Virginia anyway, regardless of why they want to use the guns.
But accepting that option is tacitly approving of the new “registration” laws in DC, which are really just the old gun confiscation and control laws dressed up in different policy clothes. It’ll take someone to violate the new laws and get back to the Supreme Court to stomp DC again. The game never ends.
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