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Barksdale B-52 Crashes in Guam
KTAL ^ | Sunday, July 20, 2008 | Beau Wynn

Posted on 07/20/2008 9:45:42 PM PDT by kristinn

Ktal has learned that a B-52 deployed from Barksdale crashed in the waters off Guam this morning. TheB-52 was scheduled to fly in Guam's Liberation Day parade, when for unknown reasons, the aircraft crashed. An extensive search is underway for the 6 crew members aboard that aircraft ...Their conditions are unknown.... we'll bring you more information as soon as it becomes available to us.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; b52; guam; planecrash
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Prayers for the crew.
1 posted on 07/20/2008 9:45:43 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Prayers sent.


2 posted on 07/20/2008 9:46:15 PM PDT by rdl6989 ( I'm a carbon based human being, a Carbonated-American)
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To: kristinn

Amen. Let’s hope and pray for the best and for the safe return of our crew members.


3 posted on 07/20/2008 9:48:04 PM PDT by max americana
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According to the AP, the Coast Guard is reporting two people, condition unknown, have been taken from the water.


4 posted on 07/20/2008 9:48:37 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Didn’t a B2 Spirit crash in Guam recently?


5 posted on 07/20/2008 9:48:50 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: kristinn

That sucks.

Wasn’t it the Chamorros (Guamians) who christened the B-52 “BUFF” (”Big Ugly Fat Fella”)?


6 posted on 07/20/2008 9:49:08 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: All

According to the Pacific Daily News, the crash occurred 25 miles north of Apra Harbor.


7 posted on 07/20/2008 9:52:16 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: DBrow

On 23 February 2008, B-2 s/n 89-0127, named Spirit of Kansas, crashed onto the runway shortly after takeoff from Andersen Air Force Base in Guam.[24] The crash of the Spirit of Kansas, which had 5,100 flight hours, was the first ever for the B-2. Both pilots ejected before the crash and survived, but the aircraft was completely destroyed, at an estimated loss of US $1.4B.[25] No munitions were on board because it and three other B-2s were returning to Whiteman Air Force Base from a temporary deployment to Guam.


8 posted on 07/20/2008 9:53:39 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: sinanju

Well fella is PC for the real nickname......:o)


9 posted on 07/20/2008 9:59:29 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: kristinn; All
B-52 bomber crashes off Guam

Robert Shikina
rshikina@starbulletin.com

An Air Force B-52 bomber crashed off the coast of Guam today with six personnel on board, Coast Guard and Air Force officials said. The bomber crashed about 25 miles northwest of Apra Harbor in Guam, said Coast Guard Petty Officer Luke Clayton.

Coast Guard officials received a call about 3 p.m. (Hawaii time) after a jet flew over the wreckage, Clayton said. Coast Guard crew members were helping the Guam fire department and the Navy look for the crew members.

Coast Guard rescuers found at least one man and took him aboard the Guam-based 110-foot Cutter Assateague. His condition was not available, Clayton said.

Philip Breeze, chief of public relations for the 15th Airlift Wing based at Hickam Air Force Base, said B-52s are stationed at Anderson Air Force Base in Guam.

Pacific Air Forces, based at Hickam, oversees Andersen Air Force Base.

The B-52, with its 185-foot wingspan and more than 160-foot length, is the country's first long-range, swept-wing heavy bomber, according to its maker, Boeing.

10 posted on 07/20/2008 10:02:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Squantos

I know, I know.

By the way, a recent book, “Always Faithful” by a former USMC scout dog unit veterinarian who participated in the liberation of Guam gives an excellent description of what it was like. Especially when, as the Japanese are driven back, he finds it necessary to to take on human patients from the brutalized native inhabitants.


11 posted on 07/20/2008 10:03:00 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: jazusamo

Thank you.


12 posted on 07/20/2008 10:05:31 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Prayers for the crew and families that they’re okay.


13 posted on 07/20/2008 10:09:10 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: kristinn

Someone at KTAL needs to edit the picture in the article. That’s no B-52.

Prayers for the crew.


14 posted on 07/20/2008 10:30:29 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. --Einstein)
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To: sinanju

At the bottom of my homepage on FR there is a link too a few PDF books like stopping power.......

I will go find Always Faithful on your recommendation !

thanks !


15 posted on 07/20/2008 10:37:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: kristinn
Pacific Daily News (Guam) - 2:30 p.m. - Local and military forces cooperate for large-scale search
16 posted on 07/20/2008 10:43:03 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: kristinn

Prayers Up for my home town guys,,,


17 posted on 07/20/2008 10:48:17 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: kristinn
Each crew station has its escape hatch and ejection seat.
This unit contains a description of the various components that make up the B-52G egress systems.
These systems include the upward ejection system, downward ejection system, and their respective escape hatches.

It really sucks if your the navigator and the radar navigator if the S4!t hits the fan at low level....

18 posted on 07/20/2008 10:56:20 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: kristinn

Prayers Up.


19 posted on 07/20/2008 10:56:30 PM PDT by happygrl (bring back napalm)
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To: kristinn

Prayers for the crew.


20 posted on 07/20/2008 11:00:57 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance
Same here.

Here's hoping that Screaming Charlie doesn't get a roommate.

21 posted on 07/20/2008 11:32:37 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: DBrow

“Didn’t a B2 Spirit crash in Guam recently?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZCp5h1gK2Q


22 posted on 07/21/2008 12:04:15 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: kristinn

*Prayers for the crew.*

Damn! Just damn ............... God be with them ... gonzo


23 posted on 07/21/2008 12:21:58 AM PDT by gonzo ("Shall Not Be Infringed" - use it now!! ... FRegards)
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To: kristinn

Prayers up for the crew!


24 posted on 07/21/2008 1:18:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

No kidding! That’s a MiG 29 I think. Wrong type of aircraft, wrong nation, wrong everything- but this is the news media we’re talking about...


25 posted on 07/21/2008 1:25:05 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: kristinn

Local Guam news source:

http://www.kuam.com/


26 posted on 07/21/2008 1:31:36 AM PDT by Drago
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To: Drago

The B-52 was going to do a fly-over for “The Guam Liberation Day” parade.

Pastor who lives on Guam has a blog:

http://bradboydston.blogspot.com/


“The Guam Liberation Day parade was still going strong when we left after three-and-a-half hours of floats, bands, and carabaos. I have never been to a parade where they gave away more candy, tea, Pepsi, pencils, Frisbees, ice cream, bottled milk, umbrella hats, t-shirts... Perhaps that’s why it moved so slowly — lots of interaction with the crowd. Lots and lots of fun.

We’ll be back down there tonight for the fireworks.

Unfortunately, a B-52 which was supposed to fly over the parade has apparently crashed out at sea. Rescue efforts are underway.”



27 posted on 07/21/2008 1:36:54 AM PDT by Drago
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To: kristinn

Local news (channel 3) just reported that there are unconfirmed reports of finding an oil slick, floating boxes and other debris in the Pacific at the crash site.

The Air Force will provide no comment until 8:00 AM Central Time.

I have two friends who are B-52 pilots at Barksdale. I’m nervous, but not 1/100th as nervous as some families at the base.


28 posted on 07/21/2008 3:38:22 AM PDT by Skooz (Property taxes are immoral)
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To: kristinn

Oh no...!!!


29 posted on 07/21/2008 4:02:40 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: kristinn
Here's the big bird:


30 posted on 07/21/2008 4:03:13 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: DBrow

Yes a B2 crashed there recently. It crashed on takeoff after sensors relayed faulty information to the flight computer. The flight computer caused a stall which the pilot was not able to recover from. The crew ejected when the left wing started scraping the runway and about 1 second before it went up in flames.


31 posted on 07/21/2008 4:13:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
That’s no B-52.

F14 Tomcat with the wings out??

One only needs to look at the hair color.

32 posted on 07/21/2008 4:42:45 AM PDT by OBXWanderer (Now is the time for all good men [and women] to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Robe
Each crew station has its escape hatch and ejection seat

Back when the BUFF's had tail gunners, I am thinking D models and earlier, the tail gunner went out one of the lower escape hatchs. He was taught to immediately "ball up". Once he counted three bumps, he was clear of the aircraft.

33 posted on 07/21/2008 4:54:33 AM PDT by OBXWanderer (Now is the time for all good men [and women] to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: OBXWanderer

A thru F models had actual Tail gunners. G’ and H models had gunners up front.


34 posted on 07/21/2008 4:57:33 AM PDT by cmdr straker
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To: kristinn

At Least Two Crew Saved Alive... from FOXNews


35 posted on 07/21/2008 5:28:46 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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If this aircraft was just going to do a flyover,could it be possible that there was only the pilot and copilot on board. I’m not sure if the other members would be required for just a flyover.


36 posted on 07/21/2008 5:35:11 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: kristinn

Prayers up!


37 posted on 07/21/2008 5:43:26 AM PDT by BykrBayb (www.lifeforlauren.org Þ)
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To: Robe

My first thought.


38 posted on 07/21/2008 5:50:24 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: cmdr straker

Also around the time of the Gulf War the guns were removed from all the BUFF’s as with new fighters and missile technology they did not have to get close to use guns to down one anymore...

I believe the gunner position because the defensive systems operator and controlled radar/IR jammers, countermeasures, and watched the radar for any planes or missiles.


39 posted on 07/21/2008 6:16:21 AM PDT by BladeLWS
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To: BladeLWS

believe the gunner position because the defensive systems operator and controlled radar/IR jammers, countermeasures, and watched the radar for any planes or missiles.

they became a empty seat. Only thing left was satcom and rear radar. no-one ever sat in them except us crew chiefs and Instructor EW’s or flt surgeons. Most of the gun equip was removed. But that was 10 years ago since i was a crew chief on them.


40 posted on 07/21/2008 6:20:14 AM PDT by cmdr straker
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F14 Tomcat with the wings out??

No, probably a B-1.

41 posted on 07/21/2008 6:24:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Nope that’s definitely an F-14 with its wings out.


42 posted on 07/21/2008 6:29:12 AM PDT by BladeLWS
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

My ex was stationed at Barksdale when we were first married. Spent a couple of years there. This is so sad. I hope they find them all. Prayers for the crew and their families.


43 posted on 07/21/2008 6:31:48 AM PDT by spotbust1 (Procrastinators of the world unite . . . . .tomorrow!!!)
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To: BladeLWS

The incorrect image on the news footage is an F-14 Tomcat.

Thoughts with the families and hopefully everyone is rescued safely.


44 posted on 07/21/2008 6:33:48 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Robe
that make up the B-52G egress systems.

Correction: that made up the B-52G egress systems. Only H models are still in service.

The B-52H had a crew of six until 1991 when the gunner position was eliminated and the tail gun deactivated and removed.


45 posted on 07/21/2008 6:57:01 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: BulletBobCo

Not “required” but would have been aboard.


46 posted on 07/21/2008 6:58:51 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Your diagram is a bit off.

Pilot behind him about 10 feet is what was the gunners seat (left side of aircraft)
copilot and behind him about ten feet is the EWO seat( right side of aircraft)


47 posted on 07/21/2008 7:04:42 AM PDT by cmdr straker
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To: cmdr straker; Robe
The tail gunners on earlier models bailed out by separating the tail cone, and just jumped out.

When in Air Force tech school, (Crew Chief) the instructors told us that a few times in Viet Nam when the aircraft was hit, and communications was lost between the tail gunner and the rest of the crew, the tail gunner would bail out, not knowing that the thing was still air worthy. So the aircraft would return to base with no tail cone, and no tail gunner.

I can't verify that story, but they wouldn't lie to me , would they?

48 posted on 07/21/2008 7:07:43 AM PDT by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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I can't verify that story, but they wouldn't lie to me , would they?

Of course not! ;) But I heard the same stories. The G & H models had the gunner in the main crew compartment behind the pilot and facing aft.

49 posted on 07/21/2008 7:17:26 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Of course not! ;) But I heard the same stories. The G & H models had the gunner in the main crew compartment behind the pilot and facing aft.

Yep Right next to the HONEY BUCKET..or DI seat (defense instructors Seat)

50 posted on 07/21/2008 7:21:33 AM PDT by cmdr straker
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