Jesus Rivera, her husband, had been his wife's conservator until June 17, when he was replaced for unknown reasons by David Hadden, the Fresno County coroner.

And they still have the audacity to claim that there is no culture of death!

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“If this were a family member of mine, I would want the decision made by the group of physicians who are taking care of this patient,” he added.

Right. A group of physicians should decide. That worked out real well for the Germans too a few decades back. Maybe they can keep detailed records of how long it takes her to starve and they can call it “research”.

If this were a family member of mine, I would want the decision made by the group of physicians who are taking care of this patient

Yeah, but she isn't, so he should butt out.

Just another damn state murder going down.

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Jusr wait until we get Universal Death Care...

Exactly, and now they are working at the behest of a CORONER.

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Maybe they can keep detailed records of how long it takes her to starve and they can call it “research”.

All to prevent her from suffering, of course.

This is horrible. I don’t know what else to say. And I guess husbands only get to make the choice when they go along with the real Choice Objectives: to have death, and have it more abundantly.

I wonder if they have tried Ambien? There was an article on FR yesterday about it being used to wake people up. Apparently it's helped to somewhat bring a guy out of a vegetative state.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2049759/posts

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Though I don't know the specifics on this woman's mental capacity or whether she can recover somewhat this case reminds of the Schiavo fiasco. So called Pro-Lifers lost quite a bit of credibility when they came out so ferverent against pulling Schiavo’s plug. There was no reason to keep that woman in a system that cost tens of thousands of dollars a year for dozens of years. That would be stupid and socially suicidal and most importantly, SELFISH. To let a person drain resources from people that need them is ridiculous and defies common sense. The Pro-Lifers blew the Schiavo case because they didn't focus on the true travesty of the issue and the stupidity of the medical system. If the girl would have been properly rehabilitated she would have been able to walk and chew her own food while her brain wouldn't have gone to complete mush. The girl doesnt get enough rehab and because of that shes a vegetable and we fork up thousands of dollars to keep these people alive.

That was the travesty, not that a lifeless brain was aloud to pass.

I think it is a VERY proper time to put this up again...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1368549/posts

Yeah. That's pretty blatant.

So called Pro-Lifers lost quite a bit of credibility when they came out so ferverent against pulling Schiavo’s plug.

I notice that you joined Free Republic YESTERDAY, so maybe you were under the impression that this is a pro-death forum -- you would be WRONG.

There was no reason to keep that woman in a system that cost tens of thousands of dollars a year for dozens of years.

Terri's estranged, adulterous and abusive spent MORE MONEY KILLING HER than a feeding tube would have cost for the remainder of her life.

To let a person drain resources from people that need them is ridiculous and defies common sense. . . The girl doesnt get enough rehab and because of that shes a vegetable and we fork up thousands of dollars to keep these people alive.

You will be pleased to know that you are not the first person to make this argument:

“This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.”

You would not have needed to fork out any money to keep Terri alive. Germany offered to take care of her at no cost.

In 1993 Theresa Schindler-Schiavo’s Medical Rehabilitation Trust Account held over $761,000, this was HER MONEY AND HERS ALONE.

A feeding tube costs over $30,000 per year including medical procedures, Terri’s family was willing to care for her at home. The interest alone would pay for this.

You said: There was no reason to keep that woman in a system that cost tens of thousands of dollars a year for dozens of years. That would be stupid and socially suicidal and most importantly, SELFISH. To let a person drain resources from people that need them is ridiculous and defies common sense.

LK-—Communist materialists and National Socialist idealists liquidated in excess of 100,000,000 “human animals’ for the ‘common good.’ Your reasoning sounds just like theirs.

Yes, the cost argument does not hold no matter how you look at it, including from an ethical point of view.

Let us always err on the side of life.

Prepare to be lit up.

Maybe you have FORGOTTEN something about the Schiavo case.

Terri did NOT get the rehabilitation she needed, because her “loving, faithful husband” did NOT want her to improve—he just wanted her to DIE.

I guess I am one of those “pro-lifers” who as you say, “lost a lot of credibility” in 2005 over the schiavo case. I do NOT know how you can come to such a conclusion like that—It would seem to ME that “pro-lifers” would “lose credibility IF we had said “PULL THE PLUG” As YOU wanted—and got .

I just wonder—if it was YOU—would YOU want a CORONER to decide when YOU should be caused to die of thirst??

Read my poem.. maybe it will make you think a bit.

Remember THREE things:: (1--this woman is NOT "terminally ill, and suffering, or unable to swallow on her own. we are NOT talking about IV feeding or a "breathing machine"..

(2--the husband and FAMILY do NOT want her to die--the DOCTOR and CORONER feel they can decide her fate!!

(3--First they came for the Jews....

Its not just Terri, we’re talking about the principle of the issue. A principle that “Pro-Lifers” have defended with no flexibility. When Terri’s autopsy was done, there was little brain function and her body was found to be acting like a resource consuming machine with absolutely no mental comprehension. If she was properly rehabilitated and her brain didn’t go to mush then pulling the plug would have been murder, but thats not the case.

you know - you really ought to read up on your subject matter prior to spewing such ignorant garbage among people who followed this case closely for many years.

Because you are addressing people who are well aware of the fact that Terri was awarded a substantial amount of money for the purpose of her basic care and rehabilitation.

Why don’t you take some time, do a little research, and then come back and try again?

“When Terri’s autopsy was done, there was little brain function and her body was found to be acting like a resource consuming machine with absolutely no mental comprehension.”

Uh huh.
Could you please point us to the part in the autopsy where it says what you claim?

Are you aware of what a functional MRI is?
Are you aware Terri never had the benefit of receiving one?

Its not just Terri, we’re talking about the principle of the issue. A principle that “Pro-Lifers” have defended with no flexibility.

Exactly, we ARE inflexible when it comes to the taking of innocent life.

When Terri’s autopsy was done, there was little brain function and her body was found to be acting like a resource consuming machine with absolutely no mental comprehension.

FALSE!

Please explain how she experienced "euphoria" if she had no brain function. If she was properly rehabilitated and her brain didn’t go to mush then pulling the plug would have been murder, but thats not the case.

You are half right, her estranged, abusive and adulterous "husband" spent over a $500,000 of HER MONEY killing her, this money was SPECIFICALLY for rehabilitation.

However, there was no "plug" to pull. She was starved and dehydrated to death, YOU wouldn't have fared any better after 13 days without food and water.

ok....
So now coronors can order dehydration.
That’s even worse than relying on Judge Greer.

I didn’t forget about the details, I accused the husband of the ultimate offense. He was an evil man for not using that trust fund to properly rehabilitate Terri so that she could walk, eat on her own and possibly keep the mind of a 4 year old. Because of his neglect, her mind went to mush. Maybe because of this scenario Terri should have been kept alive, but from the way Pro-Lifers put it all cases like this are murder and there is no exception.

“Because of his neglect, her mind went to mush.”

LOL!
You are a hoot!

Are you ever going to show us proof Terri’s mind was “mush”?

"Are you aware of what a functional MRI is? Are you aware Terri never had the benefit of receiving one?"

boy you really got me!

That is a CT scan.
That is not a functional MRI.

Now..would you like to expound for us what you see in the images you posted?

So now coronors can order dehydration.

Yep, they aren't even hiding their motives anymore.

Doctors approve of this method in extreme cases like Terri’s and it doesn’t take a doctor to see the huge black space! You think this is a big conspiracy or something?

What happened to “it’s wrong for the government to interfere with the family’s decision?”

Not if the government or an insurance company is paying the bill... I agree Terri’s case was different and her husband should have been arrested for neglect while we pulled he plug.

There was no reason to keep that woman in a system that cost tens of thousands of dollars a year for dozens of years.

Since you are brand new here you might not be aware that Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE CONSERVATIVE forum and, just like the woman in this article the owner of Free Republic also lives in Fresno, California and he is also disabled.

When he was in the VA hospital a couple months ago should they have simply concluded that it would cost the taxpayers "tens of thousands of dollars a year" to care for him?

What happened to “it’s wrong for the government to interfere with the family’s decision?”

For the culture of death it's all about killing as many as possible, EVERY other argument is a red herring.

OK, so you must know more than many doctors who disagree?
Such as this one?

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html

“Doctors approve of this method in extreme cases like Terri’s “

There are doctors who approve of late term abortions and even infanticide.
Your point?

“it doesn’t take a doctor to see the huge black space! “

Tell me what you see, why you think it deserves your characterization of “mush”, and why you think it justifies dehydrating someone to death.

“You think this is a big conspiracy or something?”

I think it is a matter of getting rid of people who have become inconvenient.
A utilitarian view of human life.

PVS is misdiagnosed 40-45% of the time.
It is a subjective diagnosis that experts themselves cannot agree on criteria.
Recent developments show the experts know less about the brain than previously thought.
Studies using functional MRIs indicate more brain activity than previously thought.

There are many who want to assume they know everything in order to justify exterminating the helpless.

Doctors approve of this method

Doctors kill unborn babies as well. You all cool with that?

Your post lacks the ‘segmental number’ for each picture hence you may be deceiving readers with a segment on the left which shows more of the ventricle than the one on the right ... which can vary greatly depending upon the ‘verticle segment’ being displayed. But then you already knew that and went ahead with your ploy anyway.

“The Monthly Magazine of Racial Politics Committee of the National Socialist Democratic Party”

“When he was in the VA hospital a couple months ago should they have simply concluded that it would cost the taxpayers “tens of thousands of dollars a year” to care for him?”

Now thats a pretty big leap, actually I’ve been saying that those are two totally different situations and that people like Schiavo take away from resources that should go to a VA hospital. Thank you for helping me prove my point even further.

This is just tragic!!!! ANother round of Terri Schiavo in America! God Help Us...This hurts me so I cannot even hardly read it without tears.

Polly

Doctors approve of this method in extreme cases

Please point out the passage that suggests that it is acceptable to deny a person food and water:

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

What happened to “it’s wrong for the government to interfere with the family’s decision?”

Sigh. Think about that a while and post back whatever you come up with. Try.

Now thats a pretty big leap, actually I’ve been saying that those are two totally different situations and that people like Schiavo take away from resources that should go to a VA hospital.

You should learn your FACT newbie, Terri didn't take money from ANYBODY.

“The Monthly Magazine of Racial Politics Committee of the National Socialist Democratic Party”

The culture of death kept their copies for future reference.

“Doctors kill unborn babies as well”

I think abortion is horrendous after the formation of the Central Nervous System, otherwise a fetus is only a parasite-like body thats DNA is sequenced for it to grow a certain way when provided nutrients.